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    Default Operation Jubilee Dieppe 19/8/1942

    129 Squadron lost two Spitfires on this day, believed to be AB800 and BL934: one missing the other crashed 'near Hornchurch' It not certain who piloted which aircraft, HG Jones was posted missing and the Norwegian SG Jenssen was killed, his death being registered at Chichester.

    Andy Saunders lists in his Blitz over Sussex two Spitfire crashes in the Chichester district on this day, one at Stanstead Park, and the other at Greenwood Farm, Sidlesham. Unfortunately the serials of these are not given.

    Can anyone add anything please.

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    Dave,
    From my RNoAF file:
    Ving Sersjant (F/Sgt) Sigurd Gerhardt JENSSEN, born Kristiansand 18-5-1918, buried at Kristiansand. Spitfire BL934/X convoy escort Op. Jubilee. Crashed Stanstead Forest on return from sortie in poor weather.
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    Dave,

    FO G.H. Jones was shotdown at about 0500 by AAA whilst two Spitfire's strafed the Pointe D'Ailly lighthouse as a diversion for the landing of No4 Commando. His wingman Sgt R.L. Reeves was damaged by AAA, and despite clashing with a Fw190 on the return flight and suffering further damage and injuries from broken glass he was able to land.

    Sgt S.G. Jenssen was killed after crashing whilst returning from the squadrons 4th mission of the day. They had provided cover over the returning Allied Naval force (with 118, 501 and USAAC 308th Sqn's), had observed some bombers, but had no combat. On the return flight they encountered cloudy conditions and the squadron was badly scattered. Eleven aircraft managed to locate airfields, but Sgt Jenssen crashed into the ground at Rowlands Castle, North of Thorney Island Airfield destroying his aircraft and killing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davew View Post
    Andy Saunders lists in his Blitz over Sussex two Spitfire crashes in the Chichester district on this day, one at Stanstead Park, and the other at Greenwood Farm, Sidlesham. Unfortunately the serials of these are not given.

    Can anyone add anything please.

    regards

    DaveW

    Could the Greenwood Farm, Sidlesham Spitfire be the one on 19/06/1942 Serial BL244 (and not 19/08/1942) ?

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    Thanks Steve and Henk for your input. To widen the base of the enquiry FCL reports that on the 18th August 129S lost two a/c with another damaged cat B, Franks suggests AD415 and AR339 as the losses but does not id the damaged a/c flown by Sgt SG Jenson (sic) who we will meet again on the 19th when FCL reports the loss of a further two 129S machines, flown by F/O HG Jones and Sgt SG Jonssen (sic) ,with the suggestion that BL934 could have been one of them.

    Fighter Command War Diary confirms the two lost and one damaged on the 18th and one missing and one Cat E on the 19th.

    The History has for

    AD415 FTR 18th August
    AR339 FTR 19th August
    BL934 Cat E 19th August : and another serial found by accident -
    AB800 FTR 19th August

    ABS AA-AZ & BA-BZ (second edns dated 2000 and 2006 respectively) say

    AD415 shot down off Cherbourg 18th
    AR339 ditto
    BL934 shot down by Fw190s off Dieppe 19th
    AB800 missing on a sweep off Dieppe 19th

    Aeromilitaria crash list says (included in the Spring 2007 magazine)

    AR339 Stanstead Forest, Rowlands Castle, Hants CFL 19 August

    None of this cross checks too well; with The History having one loss on the 18th and three on the 19th and ABS not agreeing with itself in respect of AR339. However Henk’s contribution of BL934 as being the a/c at Stanstead Forest and it being the only mention of ‘Cat E ‘adds points on the pro side of the case for that a/c. Andy Saunders may know but does he visit this board? Are you out there Andy?

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    "Could the Greenwood Farm, Sidlesham Spitfire be the one on 19/06/1942 Serial BL244 (and not 19/08/1942) ?"

    Paul, These two are marked in different but adjacent places on the map at the beginning
    of the book, so presume them to be two seperate incidents.

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    DaveW

    I have sent Andy a private message asking him for his thoughts on this!

    Paul

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    18/8/41

    AR339 and AD415 both failed to Return 18.8.42 with Sgt AJ EDWARDS #1293878 PoW or Sgt HJM McDONNELL #1380301 killed (Runnymeade) - Though who was on which one I do not know - any ideas??

    Damage to R7195 on 18.8.42 Cat B -- Sgt SG Jenssen safe on this occasion

    This would be the ' lost two a/c with another damaged cat B' and un-identified one in Franks

    Now onto the 19th

    I also have W3529 129 Sqn Dieppe Raid, damaged in air combat 19.8.42 and BL486 129 Sqn Dieppe Raid, damaged in air combat 19.8.42 (Cat B); I assume 1 of these was the mount of Sgt R.L. Reeves and BL486 could have happened on 20.8.42 ?

    Another damaged 129 machine on 19th is BL247 who forgot to lower undercarriage at Thorney Island at 0710 hrs after on returning from operations the pilot was F/O J.B. Shillitoe # 69479 (Cat A)

    Losses: BL934 and AB800 (F/O HG Jones and Sgt SG Jenssen) but who on what one, though we know Jenssen crashed near Rowlands Castle, which is actually in Hants nor West Sussex - As Jones on Runnymeade and Jenssen registered Chichester - This is 1 missing and 1 Cat E - The only slight issue I have is that I have Jenssen listed as being on AB800 (rather than BL934)

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    Paul, yes this is the same as I had, even AB800 at 'near Hornchurch' . Stanstead House, Park and Forest are just across the border into Sussex. Await a response from AS with interest.
    I don't know the split between the two pilots on the 18th, sorry.
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    In my references, I've always used BL934/DV-X as the plane lost with Jenssen as this is the plane he used on the first sortie of that day. In his logbook he has entered the A/C letter X. The next, and final entry, in his log book has been entered by someone else, and the A/C is entered as "X".
    However, when compiling a list of all Norwegian Air Force and Naval Air Force dead aircrew, a fellow historian, Bjørn Hafsten, contacted the AHB regarding Jenssen's crash. The reply stated AR339 as the A/C found at the crash scene. So there we are. Either BL934 or AR339 can be DV-X.

    I don't think a pilot would switch aircraft between two sorties in a day unless there has been damage to the first plane flown that day.He does not fly on the Sqn's first sortie (05:40-07:10 hrs), mentions no damage or mishap on his first sortie for the day (11:15-12:40 hrs) on which sortie the ORB mentions that 2 Spits were borrowed from 130 Sqn, indicating some sort of damage to the Sqn's own planes during the first one.
    In his log book for 18th Aug., Jenssen logs a sortie flown 09:30-10:45 hrs in DV-P. He has entered in his log "..most of one aileron shot away. Cat. B.". His second flight that date was an air test in DV-T.

    A puzzle, indeed, but by checking and comparing AHB reports and A/C movement cards, 129 and 130 Sqn ORB's, there might possibly be a chance to solve at least some of these issues.

    Stein M.
    Last edited by Stein Meum; 16th July 2008 at 11:10. Reason: Entered reply accidentally before it was finished. Stein M.

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    Andy Saunders got back to me and he says that his 1942 box file for Sussex (which may include Police reports) is buried in the garage due to work on the house at moment'


    But he looked at his "index" file and find I have the pilot at "Greenwood Farm down as Sgt H Copeland (NZ) killed. On checking that information it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense at all, so I need to get into the files and do a detailed check."

    I replied that this has to be a reference to P/O Horace G. Copland RNZAF (aged 23) #41469 which makes the aircraft Spitfire AD348 - This aircraft had either a Cat B (or C) on 19.8.42 when it crash landed in field after engine cut and seized (other sources say it was due to return fire from Ju88 - he made a 1/3/claim for a Ju88 - I assume on this date)


    The only worry I have on this, is that Andy has the pilot of the aircraft at Greenwood Farm as a Sgt and 'Killed' so it could be a reference to another aircraft

    Paul

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