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    Default Sergeant E.A. ALLEN, 1320921, RAF, 161e Sqdn

    Hello

    E.A. ALLEN was in the crash of the Halifax DK119 on 23/07/1943 in Saint-Sauvier, France. He was wounded in the accident and, untransportable following his injuries, he was left under the plane by the French resistance. The German detachment then took him to the Montluçon hospital and then to Clermont-Ferrand hospital. When he was recovered, apparently, he was a prisoner (http://www.rafcommands.com/Ross/Air%...ery%20A_1.html) at Camp 4B Muhlberg, Germany under number: 261238. He died "following his injuries?" 7 months after the crash, reads!
    What were his first names, dates and place of birth, his parents, his job, his date and place of death and how did he die?

    Thank you for your help.

    NB: excuse my bad English, I'm French!

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    Michei,

    Are you sure he died in 1944? So far as I can determine his name is not recorded on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website (https://www.cwgc.org/) by either name or service number.

    Do not apologise for your English, it is excellent.

    Brian

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    Marcel

    The R.A.F. Personnel file Air 78/2 from the National Archives website has 1320921 Edward Arthur Allen.

    As Brian mentions, no one of that name or service number is listed on the CWGC website, so it seems he might not have died of his injuries.

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    Simon

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    Marcel

    I cannot see on your link where it says he died following his injuries. I have had a look at the Bomber Command War losses Roll of honour and cannot see him there either.

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    Douglas

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    Hi,

    ... It is uncertain what happened to Sgt. Allen but it is believed he died of his wounds in hospital. ...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peop...a5353300.shtml

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    Mojmir

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    Michel (et al), Hi,
    There are 3 in FREEBMD who might fit:-
    1. Deaths Dec 1975 ALLEN, EDWARD ARTHUR, b. 15NO1920, d. Reg S GLAMORGAN 28 1934 (possible?)
    2. Deaths Sep 1978 ALLEN, EDWARD ARTHUR, b. 1AP1907, d. Reg CAMBERWELL 11 1209 (too old?)
    3. Deaths Dec 1978 ALLEN, EDWARD ARTHUR, b. 18SE1902, d. Reg LEICESTER C 6 1878 (too old?)
    1 would have been 18 on 15 Nov 1938. The Service Number of 1320921 gives a possible Enlistment date of May 1941 – and at Oxford.
    2 is probably too old. He would have been 32 when WW2 broke out.
    3 is even older, 37 when WW2 broke out and probably over the then conscript age?
    Might be a starter
    HTH
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    Thank you

    - Brian: yes, curious, is not he missing from CWGC! My english is strongly helped by ... Google translation !!!
    - Simon: thanks for the names. Can you copy me the file link from the National Archives website?
    - Douglas: I have seen from several sources that he died as a result of his wounds. The last place where I saw it: http://www.francecrashes39-45.net/pa..._av.php?id=519
    - Mojmir: actually, Hathaway's offspring were talking about the BBC link that you recall.
    - Peter Davies: yes, maybe for the first one you propose. This one died in 1975 so not dead of his wounds, nor in prison camp!

    On Pow, I did not find anything. I do not have the list of dead British prisoners at camp 4B Muhlberg. And you ?

    Michel03

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    The BBC link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peop...a5353300.shtml) simply says it is believed Allen died of his wounds, that does not mean that he did. Had he done so his name would surely have been on the CWGC website (although I appreciate errors are occasionally found).

    Good old Google translate - use it myself.

    Brian

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    Michel,

    If it is him (???) then these might also be connected:-

    Marriage Q2 1916 James H Allen m. Beatrice M Strongman Reg Cardiff 11a 825
    Births Q4 1916 Allen, Catherine M (MMS Strongman) Reg Cardiff 11a 657
    Births Q4 1920 Allen, Edward A (MMS Strongman) Reg Cardiff 11a 764
    Births Q1 1922 Allen, James A (MMS Strongman) Reg Cardiff 11a 775
    Births Q2 1923 Allen, Sidney G (MMS Strongman) Reg Cardiff 11a 784
    Births Q2 1925 Allen, Margaret I (MMS Strongman) Reg Cardiff 11a 604

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    Michel

    You can download Air 78/2 free from here:

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...e/r/r/C4004488

    The entry is a photo of a card, with just his name and service number. It's in part two (of two), page 115.

    Regards

    Simon

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