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    Default Loss of a Spitfire on April 10 1942

    Hello,

    we are now preparing the volume 3 of the chronicle of JG 2.

    I am researching on one Spitfire claimed by Karl Nowak on April 10 1942 of Cherbourg at about noon. Any idea who it could be? Could it be a Spit of 1st PRU near Saint-Malo (AA-812)?

    Any idea too when the volume 2 of the RAF Coastal Command losses by Ross Mc Neill will be available?

    Thanks a lot in advance.

    Erik

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    Hi Erik
    I don't know if this helps but Fighter Command Losses Vol2, N.Franks, gives 5 Spitfire Losses for this date but none are PRU and all came down near the N Coast as victims of JG26.
    313 Sqn BL480, Sgt F Porkony, KIA S of Gravelines
    313 Sqn AA865, Sgt V Truhlar, POW, S of Gravelines
    340 Sqn W3770, ML-R, W/Cdr M L Robinson, KIA. On a sweep to Boulogne
    340 Sqn,BL761, ML-U, Lt.M P C Choron,KIA, Pilot French, Sweep to Boulogne
    340 Sqn,BL909,ML-A, S/Ldr P de Scitivaux de Gresche, POW, Sweep to Boulogne
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    The PRU aircraft lost near St Malo was AB307 according to the Spitfire file.

    However, this site claims that AB307 was lost near Trondheim. The pilot is certainly buried in Trondheim

    http://www.rafandluftwaffe.info/lists/luftwaffe_b1.htm.

    So which is correct?

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    Spitfire R7056 flown by F/O Ayre was lost 10Apr42 on a mission to St. Malo-Morlaix-Lannion-St. Brieuc (sp?). Take off time was 09:45

    P/O McQuaig flew a successful sortie to Cherbourg 10:45-12:45

    F/O Gimson was the pilot of AB307 lost on a mission to Trondheim.

    Reference the loss of F/O Ayre - a sortie to the St. Malo-Lannion area would probably be about one hour longer (or more) in duration (3+ hrs) of a sortie to Cherbourg (2 hrs) which would mean in the target area ~11:15 (UK time), I think this is 12:15 (German time) so F/O Ayre looks the likely victim of Nowak.
    Last edited by Andy Fletcher; 18th July 2008 at 20:56. Reason: Incorrect time
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    Hi Erik,

    AA812 crashed on landing at Topcliffe 24/01/42 (Spitfire, The History has this as AA813)

    Both R7056 (took off from Wick at 16:30) and AB307 (Wick 10:30) were lost over Trondheim to JG5.

    No other PRU Spitfire loss in my files over the Channel area only the 340 Sqn aircraft.

    There has been quite a number of changes to bods at Midland/Ian Allen and when I last spoke to them there was quite a distinct cooling on the acceptance for production date for any more Vols of CCL.

    I suggest all questions on release dates should be sent directly to MP/IAP if only to quantify future demand.

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    According to the ORB R7056 took off from St. Eval at 09:45 (not 09:15 as originally posted)
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    Hi Andy,

    St Eval would match Nowack claim at 11:40 hrs.

    Wick ORB scribe has previous form for using a/c serials he had seen recently for unknowns.

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    Hello to all

    What happened to the F/O Ayre ?

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    hello you all,

    thanks a lot for the info. Yes, apparently F/O Ayre matches with Nowak's claim.
    Like Philippe, I would like to know his fate. Did he survived?

    Thanks again

    Erik

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    F/O John Butler Ayer, 83702, is commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

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