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    Is it possible that FW187s and Me210s were operating in the skies over Dieppe in August 1942?

    41 Squadron's ORB states pilots spotted in a gap in the clouds what they thought was either an FW187 or Me210, but I am extremely doubtful whether this really was the case. I think it was more likely a mis-identification of a Do217.

    Would I be correct in making such a statement?

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    Hi Steve
    I would raise doubts over the FW187. From "German Aircraft of the Second World War by
    J R Smith and Anthony Kay(Putnams) it seems that there were only ever 3 pre-production a/c built ,plus about 5 prototypes, and they were used to defend the Fw factory at Bremen until they were sent unofficially to JG77 in Norway until the German authorities learnt of it and had them returned to Bremen where they were then used as part of the developement programme for the Ta154.From a distance the a/c could be confused with the Me210 judging by the Photos in the book. It is possible that if we knew about the a/c some recognition material had been distributed to Sqns
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    Thanks Dick
    That serves to confirm a part of my suspicion.
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    The other possibilities include Ju88 and Mosquito - there was confusion between the Me 210/410 and Mosquito throughout the war. The Dornier would be an outside chance of a misidentification, with its twin tails, bulbous nose, high wing, radial engines and generally chunky appearance. However, stranger misidentifications happened.

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    Hi,
    identification seems to have been a problem in the dieppe raid, maybe it was to do with amount of aircraft flying.
    For example :-

    Johnnie Johnson, claimed to have had a combat with an fw190 which was wearing italian markings.

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    Hi Graham and Jerry

    Thanks for your responses.

    Whilst I appreciate my question and the answers can only be speculation, I am not sure whether the misidentification would have been a Mossie, despite the similarities to the Me210, as Franks' 'Greatest Air Battle' states there was only one Mossie squadron operating that day - 141 - and that they were not airborne for the first time until after 16:00, over two hours after 41 Squadron returned to Tangmere. As such, I'm more inclined to think it was likely your other suggestion, Graham, that it was a Ju88 instead.

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    Steve,

    141 Sqn was still flying Beaufighters on this day. The Sqn launched 8 a/c, but only that flown by Sgt Clee/Sgt Grant intercepted an intruder, but like you say this all happened after 41 Sqn had returned.

    I've made a post about the Me210 on TOCH, but basically it notes that I found a POW interrogation report at the TNA, in which three Me210's from Epro210 are reported as responding to Dieppe, with one suffering engine damage and crash landing on return. Unfortunately so far I've not been able to find any further information to confirm or deny this.

    I'm assuming this identification was made during the post midday 41 Sqn mission.

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    Hi Steve

    Thanks for the above and for your post on the TOCH forum.

    In answer to your query, the operation in which 41 Squadron pilots thought they saw and Me210 or FW187 was their sixth op for the day, 13:00-14:05, 12 Spit. Vb, Escort for Hurricane Bombers.

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