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    Default Spitfire loss - 72 Sqn in Tunisia

    Hello

    Does anyone know which Spifire V was lost on 05.12.42 over Tunisia by 72 Sqn?

    Any help will be very appreciated.

    Thanks in advance

    Phil

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    Hello Phill
    The Spitfire Site lists 2 Spitfire V's lost on 5.12.42 over Tunisia (ER330 and ER594).
    No Squadron is quoted for either it just states that they were shot down shortly after take off near to Medjez-el-Bab.
    AB RAF Aircraft EA100 - EZ999 however gives the unit as 93 Sqn.
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    Default Spitfire Loss - 72 Squadron 5/12/42

    Phil

    Shores "Fighters over Tunisia " has the following for that day:
    72 Squadorn was also heavily engaged that day. PO Daniel claiming one Me 109 and Sqd Ldr Oxpring a probable, but Sgts Browne and Mottram and PO J W MacDonald all failed to return. It is possible that your aircraft is one of the 3 being flown by these pilots. However PO Glenwin of 152 Squadorn was also shot down that day and returned later. It is known that German claims totalled about 14 for the day but no details are available and it is also possible that the 6 claims made by 11/JG 51 reported on the 1st December were in fact related to claims made on this day.

    If you are sure it is one of the 72 Squadron losses I guess the answer would be to see what the ORB for 72 Squadron shows at the National Archive at Kew. This can be found under Reference Air 27 / 625 - 626

    Not sure if this helps or just confuses the issue for you !

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    Default 72 Sqn losses

    The 72 Sqn ORB shows no losses on the date you quoted. Possibly another unit?

    Yours

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    Hello,

    I know that something is strange, as if indeed no losses is reported on 72 ORB that day, it must be said that JW MacDonald, an Australian pilot, was killed that day, and was serving with the 72.

    So that is a mystery!


    Phil

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    Unfortunately his casaulty file hasn't been digitised but you could apply for it. The description is of no help either:

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ItemDetail.asp?M=0&B=1055293

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    CWGC has 2 other pilots of 72s being killed on this day

    1332427 BROWNE Francis Merer (Sgt) buried Beja
    1265388 MOTTRAM Alan (Sgt) buried Majaz al Bab

    (See also p.93 of "Fighters over Tunisia")


    Also lost in this theatre on this date:

    ER552 of 145s lost at El Hasseiat, Libya (no other details)
    and the two 93s machines noted above

    All 5 (except ER552) were lost to aerial combat at Majaz al Bab

    Still some way to go to resolve matters

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    Default Alan Mottram flight ER594 shot down on 5/12/42

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Listemann View Post
    Hello

    Does anyone know which Spifire V was lost on 05.12.42 over Tunisia by 72 Sqn?

    Any help will be very appreciated.

    Thanks in advance

    Phil
    Just a note to say that my uncle Alan Mottram was in flight ER594 shot down on 5/12/42. I am trying to find out as much information as I can about the circumstances of his death. Can you help? My contact email is dr.mottram@btinternet.com. Kindest regards, David Mottram

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