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    guinea pigs. sergeant. james lowe and pilot officer. james Frederick john macphail.
    any information as where and when they received their injuries. regards ts
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    Thomas, Hi,

    The undermentioned Pilot Officers are promoted to the rank of Flying Officer on dates stated: —
    6th Nov. 1940. James Frederick John MACPHAIL (42014) [LG]
    On 4th March 1941 he crashed a Spitfire at Belmont, Surrey whilst carrying out an air test.
    His subsequent service is currently undocumented though it is recorded that at some time MacPhail underwent plastic surgery at the Queen Victoria Hospital, East Grinstead and became a Guinea Pig.
    He was released from the RAF in 1945 as a Flight Lieutenant.
    MacPhail died in 1963. [http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/MacPhail.htm]

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    Peter Davies
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    Hello,

    Try these:

    Is this your man?

    Lowe.

    https://www.eastgrinsteadmuseum.org....s/joseph-lowe/

    and ...

    MacPhail.

    https://www.eastgrinsteadmuseum.org.uk/patients/mcphail

    McPhail baled out of No.74 Sqn Spitfire IIa P8016 on 4 March, 1941.

    Col.
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    As McPhail was admitted to hospital on 23/9/1940, P8016 cannot be the aircraft involved. Perhaps more likely is the unaccounted for machine X4349 of 603 Squadron which is said to have been lost on this date (ABS and The History). However this loss of aircraft and injury to the airman does not appear in BoBT&N or in FCWD.
    Has this query unwittingly come up with one of the missing pieces of the BoB puzzle?
    Comments anyone?

    DaveW

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    DaveW

    Could be the dates and Sqn all fit

    Paul

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    There is an AIR 81 casualty file (AIR 81/3392) for this man and Spitfire X4349 of 603 Squadron with the date 23 September 1940. The entry on TNA website merely notes he baled out and was injured.

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    Martin Gleeson.

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    A bit more to add. 'The Greatest Fighter Squadron of The All' (David Ross et al) records that the Spitfire piloted and abandoned by MacPhail on 23 September 1940 was N4394 (a black out block number, but almost the same as my original X4349. The piece makes no mention of any injuries occasioned by the incident. In fact it describes the scene where MacPhail, upon returning to his unit, took Stapme Stapleton to task for causing a rick to his neck and so preventing him from watching his tail adequately.

    A footnote records the incident on 20th February 1941 when MacPhail lost control of P8016 during a ferry flight, and also his force landing in an unidentified machine during an air test on 4th March. After which he hospitalised at East Grinstead. This account of the second crash, thanks to to material flagged up by Col, we know cannot be true.

    P8016 came down at Oaks Park, Wallington and the unidentified machine at Belmont, which is not far away. It is not recorded where X4349 ended up, possibly in the Channel.

    Again more questions than answers.

    DaveW

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    Is it possible he went to East Grinstead later after returning to Sqn to get his pastic surgery ?

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    many thanks to all for the info. regards. t.s.

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