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    Default No. 32 OTU training in Canada 1943

    Hi all,

    I would like to ask for a general practice of course with No. 32 OTU at Patricia Bay in beginning of 1943 at this time when Handley Page Hampdens used for TB crews training. But I have a pilot posted there who was flying only SE aircraft so far. How he would get qualification for TE aircraft? Some special course elsewhere or retraining directly at No. 32 OTU on Anson/Oxford at the first stage before allowed to fly Hampdens?

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    Pavel
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    Hello,

    No.32 OTU had at least 5 Lysanders IIIA's (2407, 2408, 2409 and 2410 being four) on strength at various times from mid-1942 onwards. Example: 2410 Taxied into a control trailer at Patricia Bay on 5 April 1943 when the starboard brake failed. Aircraft was later repaired.

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    I think my answer will be less than satisfactory, but certainly all pilots began their training on single engine elementary aircraft (Tiger Moth, Fleet Finch). I have extracted brief records of two RCAF pilots at No.32 OTU. Both had attended No.1 GRS immediately before posting to No.32 OTU, but this hardly explains matters as that school was primarily for advanced navigation training. For what it is worth:

    HAYES, WO Jack Hewitson (R140172, later J86995), Attended No.1 General Reconnaissance School, 22 January 1943; to No.32 OTU, Patricia Bay, 3 April 1943, Course at No.32 OTU was 5 April to 25 June 1943. Oxford aircraft (5.10 day dual, 3.15 day as captain, 1.30 night dual) and Hampden (68 hours as first pilot by day, 5.35 as second pilot by day, 16.50 as first pilot by night). Dropped twelve bombs low level in sticks of four. Fired 400 rounds air-to-ground. Carried out six exercises in dummy torpedo dropping, 18 aiming practice exercises and 24 light torpedo exercises. Ground courses in Recognition and coding (61 percent), Warship Recognition (62 percent), Merchant Vessel Recognition (69 percent), Aircraft Recognition (80 percent). Armament (78 percent), Torpedoes (65 percent), Signals (63 percent), Morse (90 percent)) Aldis (Pass) and Tactics (72 percent). “Average results. A conscientious pupil with a fair amount of personality. Not brilliant.”

    LAWRENSON, F/O Ralph Ellwood (J21377) - To No.1 GRS, 27 December 1942. To No.32 OTU, 5 March 1943. Course at No.32 OTU was 8 March to 28 May 1943. Oxford aircraft (6.25 day dual, 2,00 day sol, 1.25 night dual, 1.20 instruments) and Hampden (67.05 as first pilot by day, 8.30 as second pilot by day, 18.30 as first pilot by night). Spent 12.15 in Link. Dropped 16 bombs in sticks of four on periscope target. Fired 500 rounds on ground, 800 rounds air to ground. Did five Dummy torpedo drops, 28 aiming practices, ten light torpedo attacks, no runner torpedo attacks. Ground courses in Recognition and coding (83 percent), Warship Recognition (97 percent), Merchant Vessel Recognition (90 percent), Aircraft Recognition (90 percent). Armament (97 percent), Torpedoes (88 percent), Signals (73 percent), Morse (95 percent)) Aldis (Pass), Meteorology (88 percent), and Tactics (64 percent), “Above average results, Seems a little under confident at times but has above average ability.”

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    Hi Hugh, many thanks for those two examples!
    My pilot went to No. 1 GRS too before posting to No. 32 OTU. As far as I was able to understand from result of his training with No. 1 GRS he flew there on Anson as navigator only...
    So it seems to except few hops on Crane while instructing in SE SFTS, he flew TE (Oxford) for the first time at No. 32 OTU. Quite unusual for me but maybe as he was an experienced SE instructor cat "B" they expected he would have no problem to fly TE aircraft?

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    Hi Pavel,
    The records for 32OTU are in the links below, hopefully this may be of use.
    http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...3/1486?r=0&s=4
    http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...2364/8?r=0&s=1
    Patricia Bay
    http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...195/57?r=0&s=1

    Alan.

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    Alan, many thanks, your must be reading my thoughts as I was going to ask if this unit - being formally RAF unit - has ORB available online as other RCAF units:-)

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    Hi Pavel:

    Might be worth you contacting the BC Aviation Museum at Victoria International, formerly Patricia Bay. They have spent much time analyzing the 32 OTU ORB since it went online. The museum is on the former 32 OTU site.

    Have a direct contact if you would like to send me a PM.

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    Hi Robert, thank you for your kind offer.
    It would not be necessary as the links to No. 32 ORB provided by Alan gave me the answer - after few days with the unit when first training flights on Oxfords were done, he was found "not suitable for training at this OTU owing to previous training on SE aircraft". So my little mystery has been solved.

    But it generates my next question - there were several pilots in each course at the beginning of 1943 who were discarded from training for the identical reason - so why SE pilots were sent to TE OTU at all?

    TIA

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