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    Hello,
    As its a little warm and the gardens are parched.

    Some time ago in a book there was a picture of Lawrence along with some British(?) dignitaries alongside an RAF Bi Plane, there was a crest on the fuselage. Caption was IIRC that this was Lawrence's personal a/c, so I expect that it was one set aside for his personal use.
    Is the type and serial number known ?
    Also is it known who was his pilot ?
    And lastly, is it at all possible that at some stage Lawrence may have taken control of the a/c while in flight ?

    Reproduction or link to the picture would be great.

    Alex

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    Hello,

    Possibly, the following incident:

    Transjordan.

    One of the results of the Cairo conference on the future of the Middle East in March 1921 was the establishment of the Emirate of Transjordan with HRH Emir Abdullah as the head of State. The conference provided an opportunity for 14 Squadron to renew its acquaintanceship with Col T E Lawrence; the unit provided four aircraft to fly Lawrence to Amman to see Abdullah on 10 and 11 April. Sqn Ldr Welsh himself flew Lawrence to Amman* on 17 April for Abdullah's inauguration ceremony, and transported him around the new Emirate over the following ten days.

    * Bristol Fighter H1526.

    See:
    Winged Crusaders The Exploits of 14 Squadron RFC and RAF 1915-1945.
    Napier,Michael.
    Barnsley:Pen and Sword,2012.
    pp.91-2

    There is a photo on page 92 of the above publication with the following caption:

    T E Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") sitting in the rear cockpit of 14 Squadron Bristol Fighter H1526 at Amman on 17 April 1921. Lawrence had flown to Amman to attend the formal inauguration of Abdullah as Emir of Transjordan. The Squadron Commander, Sqn Ldr W L Welsh is in the front cockpit. Note the Squadron badge painted on the side on the side of the aircraft. (US Library of Congress Matson Photograph Collection LC-DIG-matpc-02318)

    http://www.loc.gov/resource/matpc.02318

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    Hello,

    Thank you gentlemen, the info is great and the links too show what looks like the one I recalled.
    As it looks he was only a passenger as I expect that the a/c did not have dual controls.

    Many thanks
    Alex

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    Gentlemen
    I am surprised (and a tad disappointed) that nobody has mentioned the recent collaborative Cross and Cockade publication "Lawrence of Arabia and Middle East Air Power" https://www.crossandcockade.com/stor...?cat=51&id=472. Well worth 12.50!
    Steve

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    Thanks for the heads up Steve, will try to order it later today.
    Alex

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    Alex,

    A chapter in Fallen Eagles by Norman Franks might be useful too. I was looking up Hugh Robert Junor, one of the X Flight pilots who happened to be the first husband of my brother-in-law's great aunt, and sample pages suggest there is a chapter on Junor in the book with references to Lawrence.

    The family has always referred to Junor as 'Lawrence's pilot' - sounds like there were several candidates for that title.

    Junor died in 1926 testing a Gamecock while working for Gloster [corrected in post #10]. His wife's given name was Elsie but she preferred the name June in remembrance of her husband.

    Robert
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    Hello,

    One more of Lawrence's "Pilots":

    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1416909 - see: pp.16-18 of 27 (PDF)

    and ...

    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1344098 - Scroll down to Download PDF document - go to pp.154 & 156 of 167.

    Players:

    6218 Lt (Pilot) George Clifton PETERS Australian Flying Corps (later DFC)
    457 Lt (Obs.) James Hamilton TRAILL Australian Flying Corps (later DFC)

    Col.
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    19/08/1926 Gloster Gamecock J7906 - Martlesham Heath Flt Lt Hugh Robert Junor DFC Killed


    From news report

    The victim of the Gloucester accident
    yesterday afternoon was'' Flt Lt
    Hugh H. Junor , D.F.C., a test pilot, who
    was flying a new single-seater machine,
    built in Gloucester, before taking it to
    the R.A.F. establishment at Farnborough,
    where he was a test pilot.
    " When the machine was about 6,000
    feet up it appeared to nose-dive," said
    an eye-witness. " As it was falling
    either a wing or the tail broke. The
    airplane crashed on a tree in the
    grounds of Chosen House, Hucclecole,
    and the pilot, who had tried to, leap
    but with his parachute, was flung
    thirty yards away. He died a few
    minutes later."
    . According to another statement the
    parachute was found attached to
    Flight-Lieutenaut Junor's back, but
    was unopened.

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