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    Hello to all

    All the following airmen are listed as missing the 09/10/1942
    Can you give me information on their unit and their fate ? Not sure itís in flight nor in the same circumstances
    Many thanks in advance
    Regards
    Phil

    S/Ldr Champ Sidney George (MIA)
    Sgt Ware Reginald Stanley (MIA)657715
    W/O Mott Stanley James (MIA)358868
    Sgt Smith John Neville (MIA)1232048
    Sgt Kirkham Jack (MIA)551145
    Sgt Partington Stanley Frederick (MIA)987546
    Sgt Dymond Derek Michael (MIA)1320309
    Cpl Finch John Thomas (MIA) 547729
    Cpl Harrow James Murray (MIA)549521
    Cpl Burgess Ebenezer (MIA)538972

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    Hello Philippe

    1320309 Dymond and 538972 Burgess are recorded as being lost on the R.M.S. Laconia on the Forces War Records website via a Google search. Perhaps the others were too - I don't have full access to that particlar website.

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    Philippe, Hi,
    According to Malcolm's RAFWEB, Champ is on the Alamein Memorial. The rest seem to have been on the Laconia!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
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    Hello Philippe,
    From what I have, thanks to Henk, all named were aboard, as was -
    F/Sgt C C Barnfather - 754914.
    Sgt J H Leadley- 532414
    Lac P J McGonigle - 543112

    I may have miss-counted but there looks to be 101 RAF names given in Henk's List.

    Alex
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    Hello,

    The "Laconia" was torpedoed by U-156 on 12 September 1942.

    https://uboat.net/ops/laconia.htm

    No mention of those names here (not a complete listing of losses):

    https://uboat.net/allies/merchants/crews/ship2157.html

    Named RAF Casualties:

    F/L BLACKBURN, Herbert Frank RAFVR - + 1/10/1942
    Sgt BRACEGIRDLE, John RAF - + 20/10/1942
    Cpl COMPTON, Peter ROBERT RAF - + 20/10/1942
    F/S COOMBES, Stanley John RAF - + 12/9/1942
    Sgt DANIELS, Gerald Ernest Deane RAFVR - + 28/9/1942
    Cpl GREEN, Thomas Crowe RAF - + 20/10/1942
    Cpl HAMILTON, William RAF - + 29/9/1942
    F/L HAYTON, Gilbert McLean RAF - + 20/10/1942 - 89 Sqn, 6 vics, New Zealand (DFC)
    Cpl HOWGATE, George Herbert RAF - + 25/9/1942
    Sgt KAY, Edward RAFVR - + 24/9/1942
    Sgt MANN, Willam Arnold Cecil RAF - + 30/9/1942
    Cpl MURPHY, James RAF - + 20/10/1942
    F/O OAKES, Peter Geoffrey RAFVR - + 30/9/1942 - 89 Sqn
    S/L WELLS, Horace Rudyard Kenneth RAF - + 28/9/1942

    Col
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    Hi,

    All are on the Alamein Memorial.

    Died of Wounds or Injuries Received on Active Service

    http://www.skynet.ie/~dan/war/flight...t_AS1943-1.pdf

    Mojmir

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    Well ! many thanks to all of you , I will tried to have a more complete list of the missing from this tragedy .
    Best regards
    Phil

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    This was the ocean liner in use as a Transport vessel, sunk by U 156 (Werner Hartenstein). He surfaced and discovered the passengers, including Italian POW's struggling in the sea some of them unable to board capsized life boats, and his U boat crewmen assisted the survivors and righted the life boats providing food and water. U 156 radioed on open frequencies calling for assistance and began to tow a chain of life boats towards land. The deck of U 156 was crowded with the survivors who required attention and he flew Red Cross flags. I think a Vichy French vessel arrived to assist.

    Sadly a USN B-24 Liberator on maritime patrol, possibly attracted by the radio signals, attacked and bombed the u boat and life boats. U 506 arrived to help with survivors and was also attacked. The u boats submerged to avoid being sunk and resumed their patrols.

    Presumably these RAF lads were amongst those killed in the sinking or killed in this later attack, or maybe they were in a life boat which was not later rescued.

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    Hi,

    Also:
    F/L JOHNSTON Kenneth Leslie RCAF (C1196) 20.10.1942 ALAMEIN MEMORIAL

    https://uboat.net/allies/merchants/c...son/26285.html

    LAC JAMES Thomas Albert RAF 527168 12.09.1942 ALAMEIN MEMORIAL

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...llage-Memorial

    Cpl STEVENS Arnold Seymour RAFVR 61516 12.09.1942 ALAMEIN MEMORIAL

    http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads...f-uncle.17459/

    30 airmen.
    29 of them are commemorated on the Alamein Memorial.
    Only one - Sgt J H Leadley - commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.
    Why there?

    Mojmir

    PS: Wing Commander James Blackburn (70067) DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar was also on the board of Laconia

    https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknF..._officer).html

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