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    Default Lancaster BI ED525 No.460 Squadron (moved)

    Can anyone help me with information this aircraft? I have been researching No,460 Sqn and I am going crazy trying to decide which history is correct on this. Bill Chorley's Bomber Command Losses states that it was lost by No.467 Sqn on a sortie to Wilhelmshaven 19/20th February 1943. This is the only entry I can find for ED525 in No.467 Sqn ORB.

    Crew, all KIA, listed as

    78731 F/L J B Michie RAFVR Pilot
    1104712 Sgt R Bailey RAFVR F/E
    J11218 F/O W K Komaiko RCAF Nav
    1267135 Sgt J S Turner RAFVR A/B
    1086873 Sgt G McLoughin RAFVR Wop
    R125299 Sgt H L Brown RCAF M/U
    1601208 Sgt R A J King RAFVR R/G

    Sure enough in the Sqn ORB it is listed as ED525. However, when researching No.460 Sqn I found that ED525 is listed as having its first sortie in the hands of the Sqn CO W/C Charles Ernest Martin RAAF to St Nazaire 22/23rd March 1943 until finally lost on its 23rd sortie to Hamburg 29/30th July 1943 with F/O Allan James Johnson RAAF. Chorley lists it as ED535 but No.460 Sqn Orb lists it as ED525!

    Loss Card No.467 Sqn 19/20th February 1943 gives the loss as Lancaster BIII ED535!, but ED535 was lost on an op to Hamburg 29/30th July 1943 with No.460 sqn.

    Loss Card for No.460 Sqn 29/20th July 1943 gives it as ED525

    Summing up, I believe ED525 was not lost with No.467 Sqn on 19/20th February 1943 but with No 460 Sqn 29/30th July 1943. This then beggars the question which Lancaster was lost with No.467 Sqn ?
    If ED535 was not lost with No.460 Sqn was it the aircraft lost with No.467 Sqn 19/20th February 1943? When lost it had only 11 hrs on the clock, which would tie in with my theory

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    Hello Snowy193 and welcome to the forum. I have moved your post to the General forum where it will get more exposure.
    Good luck with your research.

    Bruce
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    Thanks Bruce

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    Default Lancaster ED535

    Hello,

    On 29./30. July 1943, Lancaster ED535, 460 Sqn, was shot down over Hamburg, 7 KIA.
    Which cemetery are they buried?

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    Hi Dietz,

    but 460 Sqn ORB records the Lancaster lost on this date as ED525:

    Pilot Officer FOX, SYDNEY FREDERICK NORMAN

    Service Number 143802

    Died 30/07/1943

    Aged 30

    460 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve

    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Panel 131
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    Flying Officer JOHNSON, ALAN JAMES

    Service Number 402507

    Died 30/07/1943

    Aged 26

    Royal Australian Air Force

    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Panel 188
    --

    Warrant Officer JONES, PAX LLOYD EVAN

    Service Number 402508

    Died 30/07/1943

    Aged 24

    Royal Australian Air Force

    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Panel 191

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    Flying Officer O'RIORDAN, CLIFFORD TIMOTHY

    Service Number 403397

    Died 30/07/1943

    Aged 34

    Royal Australian Air Force

    BECKLINGEN WAR CEMETERY 23. A. 6.
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    Pilot Officer RALPH, FREDERICK SYDNEY

    Service Number 149829

    Died 30/07/1943

    Aged 26

    460 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve

    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Panel 133
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    Pilot Officer SCRUTON, DERRICK GEORGE

    Service Number 52599

    Died 30/07/1943

    Aged 26

    460 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force

    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Panel 133

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    Warrant Officer BURCHER, REGINALD MAXWELL

    Service Number 411440

    Died 30/07/1943

    Aged 23

    Royal Australian Air Force

    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Panel 191


    For more infromations about the confusion in the serial pls refer to the older threat on this forum:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...uadron-(moved)

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    Hello Pavel,
    thank you for this information.
    Do you know the crash site of this plan? One of the crew are buried in Becklingen.
    What happened to the others? Why do they have no grave?

    Dietz

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    Hi Dietz,

    I have just check the 460 Sq ORB and add the rest locations to the crew members found in the ORB.
    Unfortunately I have no details about the fate and crash location of this Lancaster.

    I hope some of our Australian members would be able to provide you more details.

    Pavel
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    Hello,

    You might be interested in the following artefact that turned up in, "The Lanes Armoury".

    http://www.thelanesarmoury.co.uk/shop.php see:p.58 of 156 (scroll down).

    Here are the page references for the Martin Bowman book mentioned:

    Nachtjagd, Defenders of the Reich 1940-1943
    Bowman,Martin W.
    Barnsley:Pen & Sword,2016.
    pp.175-6

    There is an interesting account by Hauptmann Prinz zur Lippe-Weissenfeld's observer, Oberleutnant Joachim Wendtland, of the shooting down of Lancaster ED525. Wendtland mentions that the Lancaster went down into a wood, near a railway.

    Dr Theo Boiten, in Volume One of his, Nachtjagd War Diaries (1st ed.,p.226), identifies the crash site as: Floegelner Holz , N.W. Bederkesa (2C): 6,000 m @ 01.40 (also check the entry in the later edition of this work: Nachtjagd Combat Archive:Window and Wild Boars - 23 June - 22 September 1943 - Part 2/Wing Leader/2018).

    Col.
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    Hi Dietz,

    Why do they have no (own) grave?

    The explanation is there: https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear....aspx?B=673383

    page 4/59

    Regards

    Mojmir

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    Hello,
    the puzzle is solved after reading the pages 4/59 of the australien website. In this report it is confirmed that crashed aircraft was ED525 and not ED535
    Thank you all for your help.

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