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    Does anyone have a document showing the briefed route for the Duisburg operation on 21st February 1945.

    I have a Loss Card with a route which I THINK shows 5000N 0200E, 5010N 0500E, Ruhr (C Chain 36.29), Target, 5730N 055OE, 5055N 0520E, 5035N 0410E but some of it is very feint so wanted to double check

    Your usual help would be much appreciated

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    Hi Pete,

    Night, 21st/22nd February 1945.

    Routes and Timing Ordered.

    Duisburg: 5000N 0200E - 5010N 0500E - 5050N 0540E - Duisburg - 5128N 0649E - 5130N 0550E - 5055N 0520E - 5035N 0410E - Bexhill.

    11 Mos: Haisbrough - 5234N 0559E - 5220N 0631E - Duisburg - 5115N 0600E - 5100N 0350E - Orfordness.

    T.O.T. 2300-2311 hrs. Over Continent 2130-0030 hrs.

    (Source: Interception Tactics Report No. 43/45, TNA AIR 14/3745)
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    Thanks Rod

    Your time and effort is much appreciated

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    Rod, Do you know what 11 Mos is? Regards, Terry

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    Hello

    Eleven Mosquitos would be logical.

    Joss

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    Hi Terry,

    the one inconsistency I see is the approximate coordinates of the Ruhr-C chain reference - approx 50 08 N, 04 28 E. This is west of the previous waypoint - 50 10 N, 05 00 E.

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    Hi Terry and Pete,

    The impression I get is that the Pathfinder navigators on the Duisburg raid would have used a specific Ruhr Chain GEE lattice map rather than a generic GEE lattice map. Ditto when they used other GEE chains on the European continent.

    If correct, then the only way to decipher Ruhr-C = 36.29 is with the correct Ruhr chain GEE lattice map...

    Cheers

    Rod

    Cheers

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    Gents, There is little difference between the 1 and 8 Gp routes. The differences are that 1 Group crossed the tgt to a reference point about 2 nm beyond the tgt whereas the 1 GP did an immediate left turn off the tgt with both groups heading to the next coord (5130N 0550E). The other major difference at 5035N 0410E 1 Gp headed for Bexhill while 8 Gp headed for Hastings. When I commented on 36.29 being on the track from 5000N 0200E to 5010N 0500E I was using a Ruhr Chain lattice map to make the assumption. Regards, Terry

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    Sorry I'm late to the party here. My father flew on this operation and I have put together plots on Google Maps for all of his operations. This is what I have for the route for this operation and it corresponds relatively well with the chart I have from the night raid reports for this target and date. That is, for all turning points Except the point directly after the target at 51 degrees 28 minutes N and 6 degrees 49 minutes East (all points I plotted are in decimal degrees). The chart from the night raid report suggest the force turned north, whereas the route that I have (same as Rod's) suggests the force continues almost on the same track as to the target, NE. One other point: I understand that the Oboe mosquitos would have taken a different route to the target.

    The compass bearings (True) and Great Circle distances are calculated according to trigonometric formulae and are therefore accurate, assuming the inputs are correct. Posting the link to the route:

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1A8...k4&usp=sharing

    Jim

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    Yes, Joss is correct. Bomber Command Headquarters regularly used the contractions "Mos", "Mosq", "Lanc", "Hal" and "Hx" in various reports.

    Cheers

    Rod

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