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    I am assisting a family in Australia with research on a No. 35 Squadron Air Gunner and we are trying to understand a particular flight in his log book which shows that he flew to VOKEL, HOLLAND in a crew piloted by AVM Don Bennett, in daylight on 10 November 1944

    This was a "one off", with no record of it in the squadron ORB, the Graveley ORB or the 8 Group ORB.

    Post war, the Air Gunner stated that there were "shady characters" on board.

    Could anyone offer any suggestions / thoughts on (a) where there may be more information on the flight and/or (b) possible purpose of the flight.

    Any help would be much appreciated

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    Pete
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    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Hi Pete,
    Do you know the aircraft was from 35 Sq?

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    It just shows "H" in the log, so no serial number is shown (which is consistent with the other entries in the log) ..... if it was a 35 Squadron aircraft, I think it would have been PB589.

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    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    PeteT et al, Hi,

    Would have been a bumpy, uncomfortable, ride. Strong unstable NNW’ly airflow over E Anglia and the N Sea ahead of a ridge of high pressure over Ireland! Wonder if the “shady characters” were just making use of what the Stores AP calls, quite correctly, “Bags, Vomit”??!!

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    Such cases are real hard nuts. I would look if anything had happened around the date, and then check if anyone travelled for the purpose. Perhaps Operation CLIPPER related?
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    Franek, Hi,

    I agree. But even if we are talking about SOE/SIS "spooks", or "political agents", or other "non-elected facilitators" there is no getting away from the fact that it is VERY strange for a well known, and easily recognisable, AVM to revert - for the purposes of this flight - to being a simple 'Driver, Airframe'? Very odd! Don't compute! Definitely a 'smell of rat upon the air'!!!

    I await further intelligences on this one with some considerable anticipation!

    Peter Davies
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    Thanks one and all

    I agree, this is not an easy question, as it does all seem, lets say .... out of the ordinary.

    Possible thoughts we have had are ... planning for Manna ...... extension of radar facilities ...... but it all comes back to, why AVM Bennett

    Keep your thinking coming .... and maybe ..... just maybe

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    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Guess those on board were of high rank or position and required someone trustful.
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    Franek, Hi,
    But if I (whatever I was) was pax on this flight I might just prefer my "Driver, Airframe" to be one who's ratings were current - and had been recently flying without incident - rather than a be-medalled, Scrambled-Egg, Air Vice Marshal, who had spent much of his immediate recent past "flying" a "mahogany bomber" in a Group HQ!
    This thread, Oh Wise Ones, does not hang together very well!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
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    Peter, I agree ..... BUT ... these are genuine entries in an airman's log book, so we have to assume that (a) the two flights [there and back with a break in between] took place and (b) that there was a reason for it, so I, for one, don't want to dismiss it without investigation .... if we shake the tree and nothing falls out .... so be it

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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