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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 4-2-1941

    What caused the death of and/or what were the places of death registration for:

    LAC (Obs u/t) Leslie H. BELLRINGER - 1164831 - not found Flight archives;
    LAC Albert E. COPPINS - 1209016 - not found Flight archives;
    F/Lt (Pilot) Robert F. HALLIWELL - 33341 (fm Canada) - 62 Sqn (Singapore) - died of wounds or injuries received on active service - buried Taiping WC;
    AC1 Eric S. ORBELL - 1352331 - died of wounds or injuries received on active service - registered Ely;
    Cpl Norman E. ROWE - 905205 - not found Flight archivesw - registered Ely;
    Sgt Peter SHARP - 156091 - not found Flight archives - registered Stafford, and
    Sgt (Pilot) Frank G.P. SHAW - 904873 - not found Flight archives - registered Chippenham.

    Registered Ely may have been casualties died at RAF Ely Hospital ?

    Proposed aircraft serials for this day:

    Henley I - L3271 - 1 AACU - crashed in forced landing near Carew Cheriton.
    Lysander II - L6857 - 1 SAC - crashed on approach Old Sarum.
    Oxford II - P8988 - 2 FIS - collided with K3601 near Cranwell.
    Valentia - K3601 - 1 SS - collided with P8988 near Cranwell.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
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    Hi Henk
    From Warner's "Blenheim" p555,24/02/41, Blenheim L1104,62 Sqn,engine cut, hit trees, attempting forced landing at Sungei-Patani,destroyed by fire. F/O R Halliwell dragged clear by LAC J Haynes, but died of injuries. Sgt P Walker(Obs) and Sgt G Couzens(W/Op-Ag) both killed. All 3 buried in Taiping War Cemetery.Note the date which ties in with CWGC.
    Bellringer and Coppins don't come up and may be registered in Scotland. Could Bellringer as a u/t Obs have been on the a/c that crashed on Goat Fell on 28/1/41and died later of his injuries?
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    Henk

    Bellringer registered at Ayr, I am am unable to give you more detail at present as Scotland's People site is throwing a wobbly, probably weekend maintenance.
    Coppins is not registered in Scotland.

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    Hi Henk
    With Bellringer registered at Ayr, it remains possible that he could have been brought from Brodick(Arran's ferry port and with an airfield) to the mainland by sea or air to go to a Hospital in Ayr
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    Thanks Dick and Dave.
    Dave: What's your idea to Dicks' proposal re Bellringer ?
    Regards and good weekend,
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    Thanks Dick for your excellent info on F/O Halliwell and the correct date. Will inform Allison and Bill Walker (the latter having all my proposed amendments on 'They Shall Grow Not Old').
    Best regards,
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    Henk

    I can now tell you that Leslie H Bellringer died at Ayr County Hospital of 'extensive burns and shock'. His death was reported by his father, not by the admin of a service unit. His 'usual' address is given as Dankeath House, Symington, Kilmarnock (about 5m E of Ayr airfield) and his 'home' address as 40 Ashley Road, Taunton, Somerset.

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    Thanks Dave for this additional info on Bellringer.
    Regards,
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    Hi Henk
    Following from DaveW's latest post . Ayr County Hospital sounds as though it could have been Ayr's main Medical hospital which at the time was at Heathfield in Ayr. there was also an RAF Heathfield, but I don't know it's function. It is all very close to Prestwick airfield.The injuries could have been sustained in a crash. The Dankeath House address could have been a hotel or boarding house. It is now apparently neglected, but is the centre of a Leisure Park and Caravan site.If we are really dealing with a casualty from the crash on Arran on 28/1/41, there is enough time for him to have been brought to Ayr, and for Hubert Thomas Bellringer, his father, to have come up from Taunton to be with a dangerously ill son, staying at Dankeath House whilst he was in Scotland. I would have expected his death to have been registered by the Almoner's Office of the hospital, but if his Father was present as he died ,he couldn't be ruled out.
    It is ,of course, pure speculation and proves nothing except that you might need a few more small pieces of the puzzle to be sure one way or the other.
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    Thanks Dick. Added some info to his name on the 'unaccounted list' and also a note to Anson serial N4939 (28-1-1941).
    Regards,
    Henk.

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