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    I'm looking for any information on the circumstances as to how these two aircraft came to be found at all? I've just been going through a couple of databases and realised these details are missing. Thanks
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    Dean,

    Might help if we tell people this:

    PB290 - No.463 Sqn RAAF - Missing - Giessen -6/7-12-1944 (BCL5/504)

    ED867 - No.467 Sqn RAAF - Missing - Berlin - 28/29-1-1944 (BCL5/64)

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    Dean/Col (et al),
    They (and a lot of other a/c) are possibly at the bottom of the North Sea?
    They will re-appear – but you might have to wait a few years!
    At the maximum of the last Ice Age (which only ended c. 20,000 years ago!) sea levels were as much as 100m lower than today (all the water was locked up in the ice/snow).
    We are, inevitably, on our way to the next Ice Age (despite current panics about global warming – it’s only a minor climatic ‘blip’).
    As the North Sea dries it will reveal the graves of many a/c and aircrew – just as happened when the Dutch drained the Zuider Zee. That is, of course, provided improved location techniques and Ground Penetrating Radar have not found them first!!
    All that is required is a lot of patience, and a “wait and see” attitude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    HTH (not that it does!)
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    Dean,

    Re: ED867.

    Situation in 2003

    http://www.luftkrieg-oberhavel.de/webs/raf/r010.htm

    For more: Click on plaque marked - "Beisetzung die Besatzung am 15.07.2003"

    Situation in 2005.

    See: https://www.aph.gov.au/binaries/hans...s/ds140605.pdf See: pp.188-190 of 267

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    Many thanks Col for your informed reply.
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    Dean, I see nothing sarcastic in the post from Peter.

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    Maybe not sarcastic, but Peter wasn't really answering Dean's question about how the a/c were (ie had already been) discovered.

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    Hello All,
    I had not intended, in any way, to be sarcastic. Possibly slightly humorous, and if I gave any offence it was unintentional.
    My degree is in Archaeology.
    At one stage of my Met career I was responsible for inspecting (for safety and insurance purposes) the meteorological instrumentation, and procedures, on a large number of oil/gas rigs/platforms in the southern half of the North Sea. So I know the area quite well.
    “In September 1931 a barbed harpoon made of red deer antler was dredged up by a trawler (the “Colinda” – 30nm NE of Cromer. (GE approx 53.173139 2.002052)) on the Leman and Ower Banks in the North Sea . This object was found within a block of peat and was in almost perfect condition. Although long believed to be Mesolithic, a radiocarbon date of c. 11,950–11,300 cal. BC(E) was obtained in 1988 - the first direct date for Upper Palaeolithic human settlement on this part of the North Sea Plain.”. So people – nearly like you and I – were living, and hunting, in an area now covered by 100ft of sea-water!
    My point was that any a/c, and evidence of their crews, now resting at the bottom of the N Sea will, almost certainly, be discovered in the future (climate change, and technical advances in location techniques permitting), but not, perhaps, in our life-times.
    The chap who used that harpoon had to wait approx 14k years before he, and its use, was recognised!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
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    I will apologise for my blunt response, Peter Davies and have amended my post. I simply wasn't seeing the relevance in your reply as the aircraft did not crash into the North Sea having been found within the last 15 years. Although I do understand many aircraft were lost in waters and will never be found.


    Also, I'm not here to match wits, do battle with or offend any of the many great researchers who's skills far exceed my own, so if I came across that way I apologise for that as well.

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