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    Default 267 Sqn Hudson I P5164 - info sought re crash 5.10.41

    Air Britain serials volume states re Hudson I P5164 of 267 Squadron – engine cut, hit obstacle and crashed, near Abbassia, and caught fire, 5.10.1941.

    I have the name of one of those on board who was killed - 408078 Frank Deryck Ward, RAAF.

    Can anyone supply me the names of the others on board. Any further details of the accident would also be much appreciated.

    Unfortunately F D Ward's files at NAA are not yet digitised.

    With thanks in advance for any assistance offered.

    Errol

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    Errol

    The 267 Sqn ORB is available on the National Archives website:

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/C2504202

    The preview, page 58 of 317, has the following:

    5 Oct.
    Gen Pope flown in by Hudson, crashed. Gen. Pope, Brig. Unwin, Brig. Russell, Capt. Amery, passengers, and Sgt. Levy, pilot Sgt. Ward, Sgt. Gray, LAC Chapman, crew, killed.


    More information about Lt. Gen. Pope, including a crew and passenger list::

    http://www.hambo.org/lancing/view_man.php?id=237

    Sergeant Lucien George Levy (Pilot)
    Sergeant Brian Chadwick Gray RAAF
    Sergeant Frank Derek [sic] Ward RAAF
    Leading Aircraftsman [sic] Charles Chapman
    Lieutenant General Vyvyan Vavasour Pope CBE DSO MC and Bar
    Colonel Eric Sudeley Unwin MC Royal Army Service Corps
    Captain George Robert Amery 2nd Royal Tank Regiment
    Brigadier Hugh Edward Russell DSO Royal Armoured Corps

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    Applying some logic to the CWGC website with the DoD you have for Sergeant 408078 Frank Deryck Ward, RAAF I have come up with the following possible candidates who all died the same day, are buried at the same location and are 267 Squadron:-

    Leading Aircraftman 543162 Charles Chapman (26), RAF
    Sergeant 407151 Brian Chadwick Gray (26), RAAF
    Sergeant 791071 Lucien Georges Levy (), RAFVR

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    Hello,

    The service number (791071), of Sgt Lucien Georges LEVY RAFVR indicates he was French and enlisted in the Middle East/Aden in November 1940. He was actually of the Jewish faith, and had been born in Romania. Colonel Eric Sudeley UNWIN MC, RASC, was born in Sydney, Australia on April 13, 1894.

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    Many thanks Gentlemen. I've cross-checked the names against the CWGC register and have fully identified all eight as being buried in the Cairo War Memorial Cemetery.

    Ward and his family resided in New Zealand from 1920 to 1926, hence my interest.

    Cheers,
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    Hello Col,

    Can you elaborate about the connection you make with the service number of Levy, meaning that he was French. Is it in a batch of service number reserved for Frenchmen who joined directly the R.A.F.(V.R.) in the Middle East, rather than the Free French Air Force ?

    TIA

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    Hello Joss,

    The service number batch, 791000-791094, was reserved for "French in the Middle East and Aden, July 1940"*. You can find the listing of allocated RAF service numbers in, Aces High Volume 2, Christopher Shores, London:Grub Street,1999, pp.13-19.

    * I incorrectly used the month of November 1940 in my original posting; it should read "July 1940", as above.

    The source I used for Lucien "George" Levy, was the Memoire des Hommes site, which does in fact record him as, FAFL (it also incorrectly states his unit as "264 Squadron").

    The "M d H" site, which I'm sure you're aware of, can be accessed by others here: http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defe...erre_mondiale/

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    Hello Col

    Thanks for the information about the the service number batch allocation. What's even more frustrating is that I have that book on my shelves !!! I have either overlooked or forgotten about this.

    I was prompted to ask because it is not a widely known fact that French nationals joined directly the R.A.F. and not the Free French, especially in North Africa. not much covered in books or magazines.

    I obviously know the "mémoire des hommes" website.

    Thank

    Joss

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    Default Lucien Georges LEVY, FAFL

    Hi;

    Sgt Lucien Georges LEVY is recorded with FAFL as service number 31.064 and also with n°1071 (before) with RAF VR

    More on him

    http://www.francaislibres.net/liste/...hp?index=81424

    Bertrand
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