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    Default 54 OTU ORB Martinet TT incident Winfeld 19/10/1944

    I have been going through a few books recently as well as the 54 OTU ORB and this accident stood out for a couple of reasons. I am hoping to confirm the ID on the aircraft and if anyone else has any extra detail on this incident.
    I have also checked the Miles Appendices by Amos/Air Britain but to no avail as well as numerous web searches.

    Below is what I have so far.

    Can anyone help fill in the blanks.

    54 OTU ORB
    Winfield 19.10.44 Accident to Martinet 1444 Pilot Sgt Ryder. uninjured. Cause: Overshot runway.

    The Charterhall Story
    October 1944
    19th Martinet TT Mk I EM444
    Overshot landing at Winfield. Sgt Ryder unhurt. Extent of damage not known.
    Regards Scott McIntosh

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    Hello Scott,

    My notes on EM444 detailed below:

    EM444 P& Powis 1690 Mercury XXV 09.11.43 Flying Accident Cat A damage,7 Ferry Pilots Pool, Woodley, on delivery flight oil cooler burst and covered windscreen in oil, pilot made emergency landing but due to obscured view struck an obstruction flag whilst taxying. Pilot Sergeant SHIRLEY, D.J. (1430567) Uninjured. Accident time 13.00, Duty: Ferrying; 11.43 Repaired on Site; 11.12.43 55 O.T.U., Annan; 26.01.44 55 O.T.U., Annan disbands; 26.01.44 No.4 Tactical Exercise Unit; Annan; 21.03.44 No.3 Tactical Exercise Unit; Annan; 26.08.44 54 O.T.U. Charterhall; 19.10.44 Flying Accident Cat Ac damage, 54 O.T.U., Winfield, pilot overshot landing and entered rough ground, port wheel dropped into a hole and aircraft turned onto nose. Pilot Sergeant RYDER, L.G. (18873) (R.C.A.F.) Uninjured, Unknown T.T.O. Uninjured. Accident time 14.40, Duty: Target Towing; 22.10.44 Repaired on site; 01.11.45 54 O.T.U., East Moor; 28.06.46 54 O.T.U., Leeming; 01.05.47 228 O.C.U., Leeming; 23.11.51 60 M.U., Rufforth Cat 5 (s); 17.10.51 RAF Lichfield 6841 M; 29.02.52 A.F.D.

    Kind regards,

    Tim

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    Thats great Tim.

    Thanks a lot.

    I couldnt trust just one source so was trying to cross refer but getting nowhere fast.

    Are you able to state your source even by PM if you would prefer it not to be public.

    Thanks again.

    The Miles aircraft Appendices are a little misleading as the entry for EM444 is missing huge chunks of detail.
    Last edited by Scott McIntosh; 5th December 2018 at 22:32. Reason: Adding a little more text

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    Hello,

    Might I suggest the pilot of Martinet I EM444 (on 19/10/1944), could be, R18873 Sgt Lloyd G(eorge?) 'Red' RYDER RCAF (later J91219, 403 Sqn RCAF.). Graduated 1 SFTS, Camp Borden, Ontario, 13/11/1943 + 3/11/2014, Aged 91. Service numbers etc, need confirmation.

    Incidentally, EM444 became Instructional Airframe No. 6941M, not 6841M.

    Corrections welcomed.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 6th December 2018 at 03:58.

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    Hello Scott,

    The source of the accident information is 1180. I have been slowly copying the accident cards for all Martinet Cat Ac and Cat B mishaps. If it will aid your research drop me a PM with your e-mail addy and I will forward a scanned copy.

    Col many thanks for the correction and possible identity.

    Kind regards,

    Tim

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    Thanks Tim that would be great.

    I would be ordering the 1180 in due course anyhow but i will send you a PM with my email.

    Much appreciated thanks.
    Regards Scott McIntosh

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