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    470301 - Airwoman & Airmen - 01-03-1947

    From Henk's List -

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    CLARK, Sarah Docherty - LACW - 2118006 - WAAF.
    Stane Cemetery, Lanarkshire.

    UK
    LLOYD, Donald Herbert - AC2c - 2335879 - RAFVR.
    Berriew ( St. Bruno ) Churchyard Extension, Montgomeryshire.
    LOVERING, William Frank - Sqn/Ldr - 22029 - RAF.
    Gillingham ( Woodlands ) Cemetery, Kent.

    From CWGC -

    Nil.

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    Hello

    WAAF
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    CLARK, Sarah Docherty - LACW - 2118006 - the Statutory Deaths Register on the Scotland's People website recrods that she died at 10.10 p.m. at Bangour Hospital, Broxburn, due to pulmonary TB.

    LLOYD, Donald Herbert - AC2c - 2335879 - registered Shrewsbury.

    LOVERING, William Frank - Sqn/Ldr - 22029 - the National Probate Calendar records that he died at Scis* House Hospital, Portsmouth Road, Wandsworth.

    *Scio House:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scio_House_Hospital

    Regards

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    I have never heard of the classification AC2c before - can anybody out there enlighten the rest of us?
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    Hello David,

    Aircraftman 2nd class = AC2c

    Don't know about these days but Daily Rate of pay for Tradesmen & Air Crew was as follows
    Group 1 = 3 shillings & 9 pence.
    Group II = 3 shillings & 6 pence.
    Group III = 3 shillings.
    Group IV = 3 shillings & 3 pence.
    Group V = 2 shillings.
    Group M = 2 shillings.

    The Groups were different due to the different trades followed by the aircraft man.
    Group 1 were such as fitters and radio mechanics
    Group II were welders and Photographers.
    Group III were Balloon riggers and Parachute repairers.
    Group IV were Clerks and Teleprinter operators.
    Group V were Batmen and Pigion Keepers.
    Group M were Nursing Orderly and Dental Mechanics.

    The Groups were the same for all except that the daily rate increased up to -
    AC1c started wit Group I at 4 shillings & 6 pence.
    Up to -
    Warrant Officer
    Group M = from 13 shillings & 6 pence
    Up to 16 shillings & 6 pence for Warrant Officer Air Observer.

    Ref for above is -
    "ABC of the RAF" published by The Amalgamated Press Ltd, preface by ACM Sir Charles Portal KCB, DSO, MC.
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    Hi Alex

    The problem is that the RAF itself never used that abbreviation, simply AC1 and AC2, that used in the book was the publishers abbreviation.

    Malcolm

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    Hello Malcolm,

    I am as you are aware in the process of completing recording Henk's List.

    I check his list against the CWGC lists on line, sometimes Henk's has names spelled incorrectly or the wrong date.
    So I find the CWGC site and others most useful.

    To ease my task I abreviat the airmen ranks - ie Squadron Leader to just Sqn/Ldr.
    I do the same for Aircraft man 1st Class and Airman 2nd Class to AC1c and AC2c.
    It saves me some little time when completeing a day.

    If anyone has a problem with this then I suggest that they contact the CWGC and request that the CWGC alter the hundreds if not thousands of airmen's details that are recorded as "Airmen 1st Class" and "Airmen 2nd Class" to, in future read as "Airman 1st" and "Airman 2nd".

    Alex

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    I think the chaps are just pointing out that the abbreviation AC2c is uncommon and if you search it on this forum it appears almost exclusively on the unaccounted threads that you have posted over the past few years. And great work that has been too. Same lenght of time Henk was at it I'd say and you don't get the same credit.

    Henk doesn't appear to have used the same abbreviation in his posts as far as i can see.

    CWGC uses the term A.C.2 in its printed registers from a tiny sample I can veiw on phone with a 1 year old jumping on a bed beside me.
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    A wartime page from Flight on this subject.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarch...ch=Aircraftman
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    I quite enjoyed the next page, Dennis.

    Brian

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    Hi Alex

    I wasn't being critical and apologise for any offence, but was merely stating that the RAF official abbreviations for Aircraftman 1st Class and Aircraftman 2nd Class were AC1 and AC2, which at various times were written as A.C.1, A.C.2, A./C.1 A./C.2 but the word 'Class' was never abbreviated.

    For information it has been standard practice in RAF writing to not use the 'full stop' or 'period' at the end of abbreviations for many years. The current official rank abbreviations are: -

    MRAF
    ACM
    AM
    AVM
    A/Cdre
    Gp Capt
    Wg Cdr
    Sqn Ldr
    Flt Lt
    Fg Off
    Plt Off
    APO
    WO
    Flt Sgt
    Sgt
    Cpl
    SAC (T)
    SAC
    LAC
    AC

    Malcolm

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