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    I just discovered this forum and in a few days have learned a great deal I didnít know about my uncle, Flying Officer Albert Ransome Ball. I was directed to two books that have details about him: Twelve Days in May and The Battle of France, Then and Now. I also learned the Kent Battle of Britain museum has a memorial for him as well as parts of his Hurricanes # L 2333 which he baled out of near Dover.

    I would like to learn more so I can honour him by documenting all I can for my family and future generations before the link is lost. Can anyone suggest places I can find additional information.

    I did contact the UK government but was told it would be costly to get copies of his records.

    Any advise would be much appreciated..

    John Ball

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    John

    Re: I did contact the UK government but was told it would be costly to get copies of his records.

    I am not sure who you contacted, but you should be able to obtain a copy of the service record via https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records (I am making the assumption that he was British and the criteria relating to his death can be met).

    Is this the route you tried?

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    Pete
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    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    John,

    The records cost 30 quid. That he was a Canadian in the RAF will make no difference.

    If you have the opportunity have a look at the Montreal Gazette for the spring and summer of 1940. A fair bit on him there.

    You also might want to have someone copy this file for you: http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ls/r/C14502314

    Regards,

    Dave

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    Dave

    thanks, I will follow up on these leads. I emailed the National Archives because this file mentioned photographs on file which I would like to see. I don’t know if they will answer me or not.

    John

    Quote Originally Posted by alieneyes View Post
    John,

    The records cost 30 quid. That he was a Canadian in the RAF will make no difference.

    If you have the opportunity have a look at the Montreal Gazette for the spring and summer of 1940. A fair bit on him there.

    You also might want to have someone copy this file for you: http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ls/r/C14502314

    Regards,

    Dave
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    Pete

    He was Canadian but all records are in UK.

    Yes that is the site and it’s £30 for the info. What type of information do you receive and is it worth purchasing?

    john


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    John

    Re: I did contact the UK government but was told it would be costly to get copies of his records.

    I am not sure who you contacted, but you should be able to obtain a copy of the service record via https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records (I am making the assumption that he was British and the criteria relating to his death can be met).

    Is this the route you tried?

    Regards

    Pete
    Last edited by Johnball; 11th December 2018 at 13:21.

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    John,

    We certainly did have an air force at the time. In a couple of the articles I read in the Montreal Gazette it said he and several others didn't want to wait and made their way to the UK.

    But he went a lot earlier than that. He was granted a short service commission as an Acting Pilot Officer on 5 September 1937:

    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/.../5902/data.pdf

    Confirmed Pilot Officer on 12 July 1938:

    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/.../4681/data.pdf

    And promoted Flying Officer 12 January 1940:

    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...supplement/378

    The photographs on the file at TNA that I quoted are likely of his crashed Hurricane, than him.

    If you have a google of Hurricane L1901 you'll come across a photo of German troops examining the wreck of his Hurricane.

    30 quid might seem a bit pricey for what is about three sheets of paper but it all depends on how interested you are in knowing what he did. I have never seen a photograph of the man in an RAF record.

    Regards,

    Dave

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    John

    There are a few researchers at Kew who will copy a file cheaper than the National Archives

    Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmcmillan View Post
    John

    There are a few researchers at Kew who will copy a file cheaper than the National Archives

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    John, see post #11 in this thread:
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...g-and-research
    ... for files held at Kew.

    Bruce
    http://www.filephotoservice.co.uk/
    RESEARCH AT THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES & OTHER UK INSTITUTIONS

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    I would highly recommend that you apply for the service record as it gives full details of his postings, trade(s), ranks etc. However, you must ensure next of kin applies, otherwise you will only get a redacted version, with very limited information.

    Good luck with your research

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Thanks to all for the great advise. I will be following up on these suggestions.
    John

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