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    I am still trying to track the service numbers and forenames of two members of the crew of Halifax V9978 which ditched on 18/12/1941, with all members of the crew being rescued.

    - Larson (2nd Pilot) and - Burtonshaw (Flight Engineer) were on board, but I can't find any definitive information on their identity (although there are various suggestions on forums and websites).

    Can anyone help me put this matter to bed?

    Regards

    Pete
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    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Hi Pete,
    Maybe you have already posted this, sorry to ask if you have: how were they rescued after ditching?

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    Bruce

    There is a summary of the rescue on my webpage relating to the loss:

    https://35squadron.wordpress.com/201...9978-18121941/

    Regards

    Pete
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    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Hi all,
    there is also info in the ORB - I have checked the preview, but unfortunately no details about two crew members you are looking for.
    For Sgt Larson there is recorded his arrival from the OTU but without a service number or initials (but I think this would not be new info for you).
    I have seen also older posts with suggestion he was a RCAF member with a particular identity but I understand you was not able to identify him positively?

    Pavel
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    Thanks Pete, got it. Have you dipped into the Coastal Forces records for that date?

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    Thanks for responses to date.

    Bruce; I haven't got those records. Are you able to access them?

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    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    I will have a look. They usually mention rescues, especially if as a result of a requested search, and sometimes include details. It is worth a shot.

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    Hi Pete,

    In We Act With One Accord by Alan Cooper there is an account of this ditching and it names Freddy Burtonshaw as being Bomb Aimer on this flight.

    In Tail Gunner by R C Rivaz DFC he didn't use their real names but I have made a note in pencil at the beginning of my copy of the book that Joe = Norman Hood & Peter = Harry Larson.

    All the best
    Linzee

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    Linzee

    Thanks for the feedback.

    "Peter = Harry" ties in with the "Harry R Larson" which appears on other websites. I will see if I can track Harry R's postings to confirm that it is definitely him

    Burtonshaw was the FE, as there were no Air Bombers at the time .... but I will see if I can trace a Freddy Burtonshaw

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    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Hi Pete, a couple of corrections to my previous post. I've looked again at what Alan Cooper wrote. He didn't write Bomb Aimer he wrote 'bombaimer'. The exact quote is "Sergeant Freddy Burtenshaw was the bombaimer to Wing Commander Robinson and had the ships in his bombsights when he dropped his bombs and Flying Officer Rivaz was trying to see where they landed when a piece of shrapnel tore through his turret."

    Although they didn't have Bomb Aimers on the crew it would appear the FE was tasked with this job in this instance.

    Also, note the spelling of Burtenshaw with an 'e' as opposed to 'o' as I used in my previous. Not sure which is correct.

    Linzee

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