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    Hi,

    Looking for details please on the circustances surrounding the deaths of three groundcrews of No.218 squadron. The ORB and Station Records Book make no mention.

    AC 2nd Class Alfred Smith 1164124 RAF VR Died 17th June 1941
    LAC James Sylvester Markes 902643 RAF VR Died 29th June 1941

    I am wondering if these two are connected?

    AC 2nd Class Lionel peter Hill 1256667 RAF Died 30th August 1941

    Thanks for your help.

    Steve
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    Steve,

    An AC2 A SMITH was aboard Marham-based No.115 Wellington IC R1517 that crashed on an air test on 17 June, 1941 (BCL2/67). AC2 Smith is recorded in Flight, August 7, 1941, p.84, Cas. Comm. No.75, as "Killed On Active Service". LAC J S MARKE is listed in Flight, August 14, 1941, Cas. Comm. No.76. as "Died On Active Service" - I don't think their deaths are related.

    Col.
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    Hi Col,

    He is recorded on the CWGC as 218? Need to check this further.

    Thanks again mate.

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    Hi Steve,

    There is an AIR 81 file for the crash Col refers to above, which may well clear things up.

    Reference AIR 81/7000
    Description: Pilot Officer A Y Evans, Pilot Officer M E Boyd-Brown, Sergeant H Brown, Sergeant J R Hurt, Aircraftman A Smith: killed; Sergeant R O Docking: died of injuries; Sergeant D O Williams: injured; aircraft accident at Sporle near Swaffham, Wellington R1517, 114 Squadron, 17 June 1941

    Searching for P/O Brown returns the following site, which suggests AC2 Alfred Smith may have been rear gunner (I would have thought Sgt. Williams would be more likely).

    http://www.traffordwardead.co.uk/ind...&soldier=Brown

    It's not clear where the information is sourced from, but you could try emailing the site owner for more info.

    Cheers,

    Jeff

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    Hello,

    On AC2 Albert Smith's Graves Registration Report Form*, his trade is given as (F/Mech [E]).

    * https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/c...gid=null&pid=2

    Sgt D O Williams was P/O A Y Evans' regular rear gunner:

    See: No.115 Sqn ORB - Record of Events (F.541) - 1941 June 01 - 1941 June 30.
    TNA: Air 27/888/12
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/D8386742

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    Hi Col & Jeff,

    A belated thank you.

    Air81 to be copied next visit to NA.

    Kind regards

    Steve
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