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    Default POW and Evaders Database Work

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/pows/index.php

    What does this offer? - allows you to see the aircraft type and serial number, clicking the serial will take you to other possible details around the aircraft, CWGC (Till mid 1941) or forum posts. Clicking on the Camp name will take you to the Campwise listing..

    Data ofcourse belongs to Ross. I just packaged it a different way.


    The oldsite is still available at http://www.rafcommands.com/old-site/air-force-pows/
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    That's very helpful and very useful Jagan, thank you. And thanks to Ross, of course!

    Regards

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    From the archives:-

    753715 LAC J.O WESTON Met P.O.W Crete
    Author: Marks (Guest)
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    15:40:06 14 June 2007
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    While browsing through P.O.W reports at Kew WO344/340/1 I came across the following report :-
    753715 LAC John Oswald WESTON P.O.W 29/5/1941 Sternes Crete
    Unit Meterological Section
    Dob 4/1/1915 Estate Agent Enlisted August 1939

    HTH
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    Hmm. Keep getting a blank page so the URL might have broken. Will investigate

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    Hi Jagan, that is great and useful idea thank you!
    But as you have already mentioned, I am getting only blank page even if trying to find someone how is definitely of list from Ross.

    Pavel
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    Hmm for some reason, it is working from my home.. anyway made a couple of minor changes.. it should look like this





    An example of the serial number search

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=P4356 (Retrieves the AIR81, CWGC, and POW records - Forum posts if any)
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    Default CRETE 41 - Again!

    Hello All,
    I am quietly working my way through the AIR 81 (Prisoner) files for Jagan’s POW Update Project. V interesting!!!
    I’ve got to mid-1941. Crete! One source says that 11,000 Allied PoWs were taken by the Germans in Crete. One of our LAC Met Assts was taken. He was not alone on Crete, but seems to be the only Met Asst PoW we know about. He also seems to be one of the very few non-aircrew PoWs we are aware of (via AIR 81). This can not be so?!
    Now I am not trying to get somebody else to do my homework, but there must have been attempts, over the years, to reconstruct the Air shambles in Crete in mid-41? Is there a narrative somewhere?
    Does anybody know if AM Sir George Beamish left any diaries/papers to posterity, and if so, can they be accessed?
    Additionally, I don’t know (and am not clever enough with TNA) to discover if the ORBs for – wait for it! – 30, 33, 38, 45, 80, 112, 203, 230, 274, and 805FAA Sqns have been downloaded? Much of the ORBs for those Sqns at the time/place probably do not exist, or are lost in the mists of time/defeat/retreat? I’m only asking if somebody’s done it before to save me fumbling about in TNA.
    The Met Units’ organisation during WW2 is particularly difficult to disembrangle, for although they were Formed Units their ORB action was rendered as part of the Station they were resident on at the time.
    I would be grateful for any steers. The background is in http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peop...a4128815.shtml - which is well worth a read anyway!
    TIA
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    Default Re: CRETE 41 - Again!

    Hello Peter,

    If you have a list of PoWs taken in Crete, send me that list or put it here, and I'll have a look on my PoW questionnaires (WO 344 series), as I've copied a few pages for prisoners made in Crete.

    Joss

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    Hi Peter. Ref your list, I don't think TNA holds the ORB's (or equivalents) for FAA squdrons.
    Happy to be corrected though.
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    Default Re: CRETE 41 - Again!

    Joss/Ian,
    Tks yr help.
    I have a fair idea of the number of Met Men who were probably on the island. What I am trying to do is to build up a picture of where the Air assets (including the Commander) were at any time as the battle progressed. From this I can possibly work out where the Met assets were. The problem with PoW lists is that they very rarely give the Unit from which the PoW came! I only have one definite. He is LAC John Oswald Weston. He was taken PoW at Sternes (GE 35.510795 24.145411) on 1 Jun 1941. Sternes is about 1 mile S of Chanea a/f which is on the Souda peninsular. Weston says that his two officers (the forecasters) escaped, but that he and “my mate” got captured. Reading that story carefully I am drawn to the conclusion that his “mate” was another meteorological Asst. This (nearly!) fits with the sort of numbers I am thinking of. But Chanea/Sternes is 16 miles from Maleme, 35 miles from Rethymo, and 75 miles from Heraklion! This small Met Det is unlikely to have been responsible for all the Met advice over the whole island! Where was the Air Commander located? Where was the Ground Commander located (remember that “Jointery” – two, or more, Services working together as a team - was still in its experimental stage until after El Alamein!!).
    My current thinking is that this western Crete Met detachment ( 2 x forecasters, 2 x Assts) was part of a larger Mob Met Unit. The remainder (numbers unknown) may have been in the Heraklion area and, when it all started falling apart, retreated over land to the S coast where they were evacuated by sea?
    Where were the Air assets based? This will give me an idea of where the Met might have been!
    Very little has been written (thus my request for anything Beamish may have written) about this episode which must rank high on the list of examples of very poor military Command & Control? There might well be very logical reasons for what happened to the Met Det. I wish I knew what they were!!!
    HTH/TIA
    Peter Davies
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