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    Default Hudson AM548 of 233 Sqn, lost 13-9-1941.

    Hallo all,

    Can anyone please tell me the names of all 4 crew on board Hudson AM548 of 233 Squadron when it failed to return to base on 13 September 1941 ?

    Ross McNeill's otherwise comprehensive 'RAF COASTAL COMMAND LOSSES, Vol. 1 1939-1941' gives the pilot as P/O R.O.H. Down and the observer as F/O R.T.R. Cowper. Both became POWs, but there is no mention of the other two crewmen, nor are there any details of the circumstances of this loss. No Luftwaffe fighter claims for either 13 or 14 September 1941 on Tony Wood's website, so no clue there.

    The main problem of course is the 233 Sqn. ORB (AIR 27/1431). For much of the 1940-1941 period the compiler for some inexplicable reason only records the names of the pilot and observer, but not the two Wop/AGs. Even if the aircraft was lost.

    My interest in this incident is due to Roderick Cowper who was interned in Ireland from January to June 1941 before escaping and rejoining 233 Squadron.

    Presumably all four became POWs, or were the other two rescued by Allied forces ? Is there a POW questionnaire number for either Down or Cowper at The National Archives ? Any information would be very welcome.

    Regards,

    Martin Gleeson.

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    I was wondering about this subject myself, and noted this old thread. Was there a four man crew?
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    Cowper seems to have ended up in Australia, this file is in the Australian national Archives:
    COWPER, Roderick Thomas Redpath (Air Force Service No.: 41988) born in Richmond, Surrey, England on 15 May 1917; Father: T R COWPER - Application dated: Parafield [South Australia], 28 October 1945

    From teh seriesi: Applications for permission to remain in Australia upon discharge from the British Armed Forces lodged both in Australia and abroad (Form 49) [and Royal Air Force release letters for British airmen and airwomen
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    Dennis,

    Many thanks for that pointer. New to me. I will have to get cracking.

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    Martin.

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    HI Martin
    did you ever get to the bottom of this? I might have to fork out for the ORB from UK NA.
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    Dennis,

    Don't bother, the ORB will have nothing beyond what I posted. I would have checked it in Kew.

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    Cowper got a MiD for escaping from Ireland (you can read part of it for free in preview mode) end of page 3

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...index=3&page=0

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    Cheers Paul

    I downloaded that a while back.
    he must have been right peeved that day to say the least. He died in Australia in 1949.
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    Does anyone know if either man posted a POW questionnaire? Still a mystery on our side here.
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    Wait, Google books to teh rescue maybe:

    Wire and Worse: RAF Prisoners of War in Laufen, Biberach, Lübeck and Warburg, 1940-42
    Charles Rollings
    Ian Allan, 2004

    "Down and Cowper were pilot and navigator in a Hudson MkV from No233 Squadron, which since the start of the war had been shunted between Nos 15, 16 and 18 Groups before finding its final resting place at St Eval with No 19 Group on 16 August 1941. Less than a month later, however, on Saturday, 13 September, Down was ordered up to search for a U-Boat, taking off at 1220 hours and finishing in the North Sea. Only he and Cowper are recorded to have survived."

    Ok, that wasn't as helpful as I hoped.
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