H. R. Horley, J. H. Brown, both RAFVR, both (138015) at the same time

**vrajm** · 24th February 2019, 16:34

Hi,

Harry Rex Horley, RAFVR

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...43-CWGC-Errors

(CWGC has his service number 138105),

was commissioned 30-12-1942, LG 30 March, 1943. His service No.: (138015)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/1471

John Henry BROWN, also RAFVR

Was commissioned 10-02-1943, LG 16 March, 1943. His service No.: (138015)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...5940/page/1250

There is also Ernest Francis FitzHerbert WRIGHT (138015) – Army

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-not...-page-size=100

The service number (138105) is used (LG) only once: William Vaughan SIMPSON (138105)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-not...-page-size=100

Using of the same numbers at the same time for RAF/Army is normal. But RAF/RAF?

Is CWGC right?

Regards

Mojmir

**dennis_burke** · 24th February 2019, 17:31

Have you checked the RAF lists, the indexs at the back.

Army and Air Force being completely different services, numbers would be duplicated. They are just numbers from ledgers in that context.

**Jagan** · 24th February 2019, 19:46

JH Brown (ARMT Branch) index https://archive.org/stream/airforcel...3grea#page/853 actual entry https://archive.org/stream/airforcel...3grea#page/377 (Col 1408)
Horley (GD Branch) index https://archive.org/stream/airforcel...grea#page/1021 actual entry https://archive.org/stream/airforcel...3grea#page/253 (Col 976)

Yes, same numbers !

Also - all occurrences of 138015 in the LG

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...m=138015&cur=0

**vrajm** · 25th February 2019, 10:48

Hi,

The same problem

CWGC: Edward TRACKWAY (138109)

LG/RAF Force lists haven’t got (138109), but have got twice (139109)

646793 Edward TRACKWAY (139109) 30th Dec 1942
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/2102

and

1399768 Reith Risdon PRENTICE (139109). 13th Feb. 1943 and three times initials K. R Prentice
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/.../2932/data.pdf

Air Force list: R. R. Prentice (139109).
https://digital.nls.uk/british-milit...chive/96356718

Flying Officer K R Prentice (service number 139109). Service: RAF. Evaded capture in...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ls/r/C14084236

AIR 78: 1399768 Keith Risdon Prentice

Does the CWGC have another source? For example a dog tag?

Regards
Mojmir

**Resmoroh** · 25th February 2019, 15:13

On the other hand there are those who had two numbers!

Reginald Kenneth Pilsbury :-

b. 20 Mar 1912 (Reg Lichfield 6b 886)
25 Aug 1939 Noted as being at Met Office HQ 16 Grp (Chatham) on the Met Office War Posting t/p signal – no change of location.
5 Sep 1939 Cmd Plt Off RAFVR(Met Branch) – Note, before WW2 officially declared! Not ‘Acting’. Also confirmed in RAF Lists.
19 Oct 1939 Cmd Cancelled (reason(s) not given/known). Poss medical?
1 Mar 1944 Cmd Flt Lt RAFVR(Met Branch) (142647). Poss now medical fit?
26 Jun 1948 ATD on SS Eros London-Jamaica. Male. 36. Married. Profession: Senior Meteorological Offr.
20 Mar 1957 Relinquish Cmd – Note: “No Retention of Rank”. No reason given!
1 Jan 1973 Award. ISO (As PSO MoD – will just have retired at age 60).
m. Q3 1990. Reg IoW 20 2740.
2002 Located 1 Church Hill, Saffron Walden. (Elect Reg)
d. Oct 2002 (Reg Cambridge 3311A A58C 027).

Brilliant cloud photographer! Poss reason for ISO? But he has a "history", some of which I know but is not for public consumption. Why he was first Commissioned (he was in UK), and just why it was "Cancelled", is not known.

But - at the end of the day - he had two Service Numbers. Why, either "they" did not discover this, or "he" did not disclose it, is something we are unlikely to ever know!

Not too many APs dealing with this sort of thing?

HTH

Peter Davies