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    I didn't know until this past week when Pavel told me, that it is possible to see ORBs on the NA website in full, and FOC, albeit only Summaries of Events (i.e. the F540 and not the F541) and watermarked. Nonetheless, they are in the most part readable and it is fairly simple to glean important information, such as when a man joined or left a unit.

    I wondered how many there were so did a full search and found that over 31,400 are scanned, covering the years 1911-1963!

    They cover not only RAF, but also RAuxAF, FAA, PR Sqns, RAAF, SAAF, FFAF, RIAF, RNZAF, RCAF, Royal Hellenic AF, Malayan Aux AF, plus University Air Squadrons, Comms Flights, Ferry Support units, AOPs, a conversion flight, and a few other units, including Fighter Command Comms and Instrument Training, HQ Flying Training Command Comms, Med/Middle East Comms, SHAEF Comms, and AHQs Burma, India, and Italy!

    I downloaded the results and sorted them in an Excel file, which comes to about 3.2MB. If anyone's interested in a copy for reference, let me know and I'll be happy to send it.

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    Hi Steve,
    I am not sure if I understand your first sentence correctly but for most units there is available preview of both F540 and F541 as far as I have checked squadrons of my interest.
    Anyway - I will be glad to get your file for my further research.

    Hint - if you would like to make it available to all member of this forum I am sure Jagan would be able to think out how to make it.

    Thank you

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    The F540 and F541 summaries and diaries are available along with appendices sometimes.

    I did this little user guide
    http://www.ww2irishaviation.com/TNA_...guidelines.pdf
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    if you search for the terms "records of events" and "summary of events" filtered within the AIR records group only, you get

    "records of events" 30,104 = F541 roughly

    "summary of events" 30,774 = F540 roughly

    Steve, have you found that you can view the "Comms Flights, Ferry Support units, AOPs, a conversion flight, and a few other units, including Fighter Command Comms and Instrument Training, HQ Flying Training Command Comms, Med/Middle East Comms, SHAEF Comms, and AHQs Burma, India, and Italy" files online?

    I understand that these viewable ones are the AIR27 files and correlate basically to numbered front line squadrons only. The search results of any search can be downloaded, that's how we created the AIR78 index on this site.
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    Steve

    Please do forward the excel file - you would save me work that I was planning to do myself.. just like the AIR81 locator, we can do well with an ORB locator.


    I think i discovered this 'preview' thingy about six months ago.. currently using it to cross reference the CWGC Database on our site. that got me thinking that it would be nice to have an easy handy tool

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    If you want to include the contents of my pdf feel free.

    This might be a good case for just giving folks good information about how to use the TNA search facility rather than links, there going to be missing months, non preveiwed ones etc.

    There are ways to find say.. all ORB for a particular month.

    Bear in mind there are 60k links, not just 30k.
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    Okay - couldnt wait - i downloaded some exports and have this

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/air27/index.php

    Tell me how it works..

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    Looks good Jagan, and seems to work well. I have sent you the full list that I could find of the Summaries or Events, Good to have Dennis' instructions with it, too.

    Dennis and Pavel, I've sent you the lists as well.

    My list are Summaries of Events (F540) only. I didn't realise that the Records of Events are also available, so thanks for letting me know. In that case, the full list of docs available online will be much larger than mine. Personally, I currently have no need for the Record of Events (F541), but it's good to know they're there in case.

    I was surprised when Pavel mentioned them as I hadn't heard anything about it (or anyone discussing it) until now. Great tool, when you live so far away from t NA, as I do. I hope they do other units as well! Schools, flying training units and Stations would be absolutely brilliant!

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    Steve, i found its a hit or miss when researching losses sometimes the RoE (F541s) have the full crew names and serials - in other cases i found the opposite true as well with F540s having more details. So having both for a particular date is a good thing.

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    That's what I implied within my document, there is no clear standard across the ORB's, be that they be hand written, typed, list full crews, or pilots/nav etc only, or list all postings of all squadron staff or only just officers.

    its big time, hit and miss
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