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    Staffordshire Sentinel - Friday 01 March 1935 (A Evening Paper)

    PLANES DOWN IN FOG Remarkable Escapes in Overturned Machines Owing to a dense fog over Cambridgeshire to-day, three R.A.F. machines had to make forced landings. Two of the planes, which landed on soft ground about five miles north of Cambridge, overturned and were badly damaged. The occupants, Squadron-Leader Cassidy and Flight-Lieutenant Broadhurst, had remarkable escapes from injury. They are attached to the 19th Squadron, and, although they had wireless direction, they were unable to find their way, owing to the denseness of the fog. The third machine, piloted by Sergeant Bignell, made a forced landing further north, but alighted safely.

    This will be:
    Sqn Ldr John Reginald Cassidy #07011
    Flight-Lieutenant Harry Broadhurst #24035

    Sgt Bignell Can't ID: Maybe: Herbert John BIGNELL #363856 ?? Anyone else can ID him.. Ok so what were the planes

    Well I think this is the answer is below!! "Glosters for repair, 07/03/35"

    Gloster Gauntlet
    K4085 • Delivered to 19 Squadron, 11/02/35. • Glosters for repair, 07/03/35 • 19 Squadron, 21/02/36 • 27 Maintenance Unit, 09/12/38
    • 36 Maintenance Unit, 27/02/39 • Shipped to the Middle East 18/04/39 • Air Depot Aboukir • 6 Sqn, ‘A’ Flight, Ramleh • 102
    Maintenance Unit, Abu Sueir, 21/12/39 • Struck Off Charge 20/04/40

    K4086 • Delivered to 19 Squadron, 08/02/35 • Glosters for repair, 07/03/35 • 1 Aircraft Storage Unit, 20/03/36 • 19 Squadron, 31/03/36
    • Royal Aircraft Establishment 11/10/38 • 5 School of Technical Training as 1290M, 17/02/39

    I would guess Bignell was flying either K4082, K4083 or K4084..

    Can anyone else throw any more light on this incident

    Paul

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    Paul, Hi,

    Herbert John Bignell
    b. Q3 1908 (Reg Strood 2a 727) ???
    363858 looks like a Halton Brat. Entry 7, or 8 (don’t have a complete list of the various Entry s/ns. Somebody with a lot of Halton stuff might know - or know who does! Can't find him in AIR 78 - but there are several Bignell's dis-ordered) )
    HTH
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    Hello,

    For what is worth, here is what Alastair Goodrum has to say in his Combat Ready!:

    (p.22)
    Air Accidents in the Fenland Region - 1922 to 1936.

    Date: 01/03/35
    Aircraft: 3 x Gauntlets
    Serial: K4086/?/?
    Sqn: 19
    Location: Dry Drayton/Smithy Fen
    Pilot/Crew: Sqn Ldr Cassidy/Flt Lt Broadhurst/Flt Sgt Bignall*.
    Fate: Uninjured.

    Photo caption on p.22 - Gloster Gauntlet K4086 at the end of a practice sortie for 19 Sqn's Hendon aerobatic team. All three aircraft ran out of fuel in thick fog which blanketed eastern England on 1 March 1935. All crashed at Smithy Fen north of their Duxford base. (Cambridgeshire Collection) The photo depicts Gauntlet K4086 in a rather dishevelled state (overturned).

    * Probably, 365655 James Seward Withers BIGNAL (78716) (later DFC, AFC).

    http://www.unithistories.com/officer...icers_b01.html

    See:
    Combat Ready!
    Goodrum,Alastair.
    Peterborough:GMS Enterprises.1997
    p.22.

    Col.
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    That BIGNAL OR number still looks like a Brat No!!! But Entry 10, or 11!!
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    Hello,

    Bignal was member of No.10 Entry (365127-365692) Arrival Date: September 1924.

    Col.

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    Col

    Thanks for your efforts on this BIGNAL does seem more likely for this and also the name in Goodrum’s book


    Peter thanks for efforts as well


    Paul
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    Paul.

    You seem to have some doubts. maybe this will ease your mind.

    Events the previous year:

    The 1934 Hendon Air Display saw 19(F) become the first squadron to perform synchronised flight formation aerobatics with smoke. Much argument has raged around who was first with the event, but Rye* is quite adamant that the other squadrons had smoke evolutions, but not in flight formation. Five Bulldogs led by Flight Lieutenant Harry Broadhurst took part in this particular event, the remaining pilots being Flying Officer S. F. Godden, Sergeant Pilots J. S. W. Bignal, R. Parr, and W.J. Rye*. Much hard practice was to precede the day of the event.

    * 366409 William john RYE (later 44924, DFC, ex-19 Sqn RAF)

    See:
    Bulldog The Bristol Bulldog Fighter
    Luff,David
    Shrewsbury:Airlife Publishing,1987,
    p.98

    Col.
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    Col yes QED definitely James Seward Withers BIGNAL

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    364938 Rowland PARR (43341).

    STEPHEN FREDERICK GODDEN 05222

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