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    I am collecting information on my late father F>E>Crawley serving during WW2 and have found in his log books references whilst based at Stradishall doing night flights in a Whitley bomber No's Z6728/Z6727 piloted by Sgt.Austin. These entries were unusually penned in red as "operation as ordered" during June/July 1941. National Archives come up with no record? Can anyone shed a light?

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    Fred, Hi - and welcome.
    Started as 419 (SD) Flt. Became 1419 (SD) Flt. Became 138 Sqn (q.v.) wef 25 Aug 1941.
    Their ‘business’ was dropping SOE/SIS Agents/Spooks/Stuff (and others!) in various places. These ops were SECRET, or TOP SECRET, and, thus, the details of who/where/when could not be recorded in an UNCLAS Log Book.
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    Peter Davies
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    We might not know - but we might know who does!

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    Hello Fred

    To add to Peter’s observation, there are a two references to 1419 Flight at The National Archives, namely AIR 20/8242 (Squadrons and Units (Code 67/34): 138 Squadron (1419 Flight): policy), AIR 20/8334 (1419 Flight (later 138 Squadron): operational reports). I am sure someone with more knowledge of 138 Squadron and its work will be able to help you further as the successor to 1419 Flight.

    There is a casualty report for Whitley Z6727 on 25Jul’41 in AIR 81/7892 although a summary of the loss and that of Z7628 in early 1942 may be found on this link http://www.harringtonmuseum.org.uk/w...Operations.pdf

    Looks like your father may have been involved in testing equipment or other operations based on the description of activities being executed at the times the different aircraft were lost.

    All the best with your researches
    Pierre

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    Hello,

    You will find mention of some of the early flights of 748364 Sgt John Beech AUSTIN RAFVR (later 104448 F/L, DFC. No.138 Sqn.), in K. A. Merrick's Flights of the Forgotten (check pp.30-2 & 35-6).
    Merrick mentions (p.30), that Whitleys Z6727 and Z6728, arrived on 3 May, 1941. Also consult Freddie Clark's, Agents By Moonlight (pp.13-16 & 18-20).

    The following site might also be of interest:
    http://www.plan-sussex-1944.net/angl...nto_france.pdf

    Fred, could you tell us a little about your father's career (full name, service number, units etc.)?

    Col.
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    I'd recommend www.beforetempsford.org.uk
    It covers 419/1419/138 from formation through to the move to Tempsford

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    many thanks, have purchased the book. VERY interesting reading!

    Fred

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    Hello Col.Bruggy, At the time of your reply I did post a response listing what you asked for but it doesn't show on the forum? As this was my first time I may have failed to send it correctly. If you haven't got it please let me know so I can re-send it.
    Best wishes, Fred Crawley

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    Hello Fred,

    I have just noticed your other posting about your father. That's what I was after. Thanks.

    Col.
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    Hi Col. The full list of my fathers postings are:- 115Sqdn Marham 8/10/39 - 21/10/39, 207Sqdn Cranfield 21/10/39 - 18/4/40, 12OTU Benson 18/4/40 - 11/3/41, 3BTF Stradishall 11/3/41 - 6/4/41, 12OTU Benson 6/4/41-10/5/41, 1419Flt Stradishall/Rowley Mile 22/5/41 - 12/8/41, SHQ Abbotsinch 12/8/41 - 31/5/43, 1680Flt Abbotsinch/Prestwick 1/6/43 - 6/12/45, BOAC Whitchurch , discharged 1946.
    I can also supply list of aeroplanes flown if needed, regards, Fred

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    Thanks once again Fred.

    Your 3BTF Stradishall - 11/3/41 - 6/4/41, should read No.3 Group Training Flight (3 Gp TF) Stradishall.

    Col.

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