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    I have purchased numerous "Operations Records" (both details & summary) for the time my Great Uncle was attached to a Squadron (88, 13, 18), and received some information from members on this site. My g-uncle was a pilot, killed in March 1943 (enlisted in the RCAF, but flew mostly with the RAF). I'm tempted to apply for records from the National Defense but am unsure if they will give me anything more? I'm sure numerous people on this site have done so, and am hoping you could provide a little advice. I live in Alberta, Canada - so going to the UK to do this research isn't possible. Any advice/suggestions - would be most appreciated. Thank you.

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    Hi Jo, first of all you should find out if he was member of the RCAF/RAF. If he was a RCAF member you have to applied for his records in Canada. What was his service number? It would help us to find out in which force he served.

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    From your previous posts - my deduction - was your uncle J. A. Mayne R86852?

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    In another thread you have stated you have already his RCAF service record, here you have stated you have purchased several Operations Record Books so what do you expect under "records from the National Defense"? I am afraid there will be no more records than you already have...

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    Yes sorry. I have his service record for the RCAF. And the operations records from National Archives. The service record (from RCAF) just provides his application to enlist, what squadrons he was moved to, a list of medals awarded, his medical and correspondence after he was killed. there wasn't any details about where he was located, or what he did.

    So ... I wasn't sure if the record from the RAF would provide more information, or if it would be the same. The RCAF file shows that he was posted with RAF units (13,18,88) - and yes, I did download the operations records from the British National Archives and have pieced together some of where he was located...

    I'm trying to have as complete a record as possible - so that's why I was hoping for some advice from others that have gone down this path. Again - I do appreciate any advice / suggestions.

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    Sorry - Yes Pavel - that is my G-Uncle. J.A. Mayne 86852

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    Jo

    All his postings are shown on Page 117 of his file, so you should be able to identify all his movements after he left Canada using that as your start point.

    This shows that he was at No 3 Personnel Reception Centre (Bournemouth) and 17 Operational Training Unit (Upwood) before he became operational with No 88 Squadron, 13 Squadron and 18 Squadron.

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    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Jo,

    In terms of nomenclature, we in the UK do 'Ministry of Defence', whilst Canada does 'National Defence'. I have worked at both of these HQs. Having confirmed that you have your uncle's service record and the ORBs, I can't see what else you are going to get from either of them, I'm afraid.

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    Hi Jo,
    as was already stated several times - you have maximum of records you can get for him.
    I have checked his service record (which is available via Ancestry.com) and there is full service record. As for the units and places he served with and was trained you have to search in another sources.

    BR

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