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    Hi,

    Revisiting these three in the hope some new details have emerged. I have the last three pilots posted onto 218 during 1936/37 that I am having trouble with. Very little detail other than listed below. Any help pointers welcome.

    Pilot Officer How posted on to squadron 27/11/1937
    Pilot Officer Brown posted onto squadron 27/11/1937
    Sergeant Jarvis posted on to squadron 24/08/1936

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    Hello,

    P/O How, possibly 37806 F/O Douglas James HOW DFC RAFO - DFC, LG: 9/07/1940 - 61 Sqn.

    + 13/09/1940 No.61 Sqn Hampden I X2922 - BCL1(Rev.ed.)/200 & 206. SSC 04/05/1936, to 10 FTS, Tern Hill. Accident 5/6-09-1940 61 Sqn Hampden I X2894.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...0725&styleid=2

    Steve, I've come to the conclusion that it could not have been P/O D J How. He was posted to 61 Sqn on 23/03/1937, and still on 61 Sqn on 01/01/1938. He was attached to S of N on 25/01/1938, so could not have been posted to 218 Sqn on 27/11/1937.

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    “Brown” is actually P/O Norman Harvey des Capelles BROUARD 37622

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    How is defo Richard Graham How RAFO

    He is in the 1938 Jan AFL as with 216 Sqn but with a join date on 27 Nov 1937 the same date as BROUARD and also Frank Hubert Fox who joined 218 Sqn

    It maybe he was posted to wrong Sqn not sure why a RAFO Officer would be posted to a bomber Sqn when transport more suitable

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    Or a typo in AFL

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    Did you check these in case any are relevant?

    How AHJ Alfred Herbert Jones AIR 76/240/1
    How CB C B AIR 76/240/2
    How DD Dickson Drummond AIR 76/240/3
    How EJB Everard John Boothby AIR 76/240/4
    How HJ Howard Jasper AIR 76/240/5
    How HW Herbert Walter AIR 76/240/6
    How RL Roland Loxley AIR 76/240/7
    How TJV Theophilus James Victor AIR 76/240/8
    How WH William Hinchcliffe AIR 76/240/9

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    The Jan 38 AFL is current to in both postings and rank up to 15 Dec 37. There are only three people by the name of How on the list. One is D.J. with 61 Sqn, the second is R.G. with 216 Sqn, and the third is a civilian in the Finance Division at Air Ministry. Why is transport more suitable than bombers for an RAFO officer? Regards, Terry

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    If your man is the How with 216 Sqn, he is Richard Graham How who was appointed an APO on probation in Class A of the RAFO wef 9 May 37. He was confirmed as a PO wef 8 Mar 38. He transferred to the Air Branch of the RN wef 8 Mar 38 and was promoted from SLt (A) to Lt (A) wef 6 Jun 40. He appears to have survived the war as he is not listed on the CWGC database. Regards, Terry

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    I think typo in AFL as 216 Sqn in Middle East most RAFO Officers were older men who were already in civilian employment who would come back to train periodically in the RAF they would require to “keep current and qualified “ but not on the latest service types as this was sub contracted out to a number of civilian .organisations

    I would expect that bomber and fighter equipment would be much different to what they experienced in their actual service so would have been easier for them to go in a transport Sqn than “operational ”

    Saving that I think 216 in middle east at the time so I wonder if this is actually a typo in AFL and 216 should be 218 for How the clincher fir me being this guy is the date oh joined the Sqn the same as the other 2 on 218 and as per 218 ORB

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    I am still convinced that he is Richard Graham HOW - I think his listed in 216 Sqn AFL is actually a Typo and should be 218 - Unless he lived in the Middle East

    He is in RAFO with 32 Others 9th May 1937 - I assume this was a ramp up just prior to the large batches of men in RAFVR which formed in that year

    These are


    ROYAL AIR FORCE RESERVE.
    Reserve of Air Force Officers.
    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    The undermentioned are granted commissions as Acting Pilot Officers on probation in class A with effect from and with seniority of 9th May 1937: —
    Robert Bruce ANDERSON. Dismissed the Service by sentence of General Court Martial. 15th Dec. 1937
    Victor Richard BAXTER-JONES. Later Air Transport Auxiliary
    Peter Edward BRESSEY. 70082
    Frederick CAREY. 70116
    Ian Campbell CHALMERS. 70123
    Peter Philip CHARLTON. KIFA Hurricane L1598 12 June 1939
    Arthur Wesley COOMBS. Acting Pilot Officer on probation Arthur Wesley COOMBS is terminated on cessation of duty. 3rd Dec. 1937
    Graham CRUMP. 70153
    John Sidney DANBY. 70158
    Thomas Patrick DE LA RUE. 70171
    Charles Robert DE VERTEUIL. The commission of Acting Pilot Officer on probation Charles Robert DE VERTEUIL is terminated on cessation of duty. 14405920 Charles Robert de VERTEUIL (335354).
    Philip James DORRINGTON. 70186
    Arthur William ELLIS. 70203
    Frank Edward EVERETT. 70209
    Leonard John Webb FELGATE. 70213
    Leonard William George GILL. 70244
    Austin Harold Dixon GOUGH. The undermentioned Pilot Officers relinquish their commissions on appointment to the Air Branch of the Royal Navy on the dates stated: 18th May 1938
    Hubert Norman GRAVENOR. 70260
    Thomas Aston HEATH. 70294
    Edward Sydney HOGG. 70312
    Richard Graham HOW. The undermentioned Pilot Officers relinquish their commissions on appointment to the Air Branch of the Royal Navy on the dates stated: 6th June 1938
    Kevin Charles JACKMAN. 70342
    Stanley LE ROUGETEL. 70292
    Geoffrey LLOYD. Killed Handley Page Hampden Mk I 23-MAY-1939 RAFO
    Garth MORELAND. Pilot Officer Garth MORELAND relinquisheshis commission on appointment to a commission in the Royal Australian Air Force Reserve, 1st Feb. 1939
    Richard Vivian PEACOCK. Missing believed killed Audax K5202 14th Oct 1937
    Randolph Brougham PEARSON. Pilot Officer Randolph Brougham PEARSON relinquishes his commission on appointment to the Air Branch of the Royal Navy. 31st Oct. 1938.
    George Albert PICKETT. 70542
    Geoffrey Hall PORTER. 70549
    Patrick Joseph STANLEY The commission of Acting Pilot Officer on probation Patrick Joseph STANLEY is terminated on cessation of duty. 9th July 1937.
    Roger TURNER. 70689 Canadian Air Gunner, RAFO - killed in action Hampden L4127 29 September 1939
    Paul Rollo Eastlake WOODS The undermentioned Pilot Officers relinquish their commissions on appointment to the Air Branch of the Royal Navy on the dates stated: 18th May 1938

    Note I read that

    "The 70,000 series of Service Numbers for officers was initially allocated to the Reserve of Air Force Officers (RAFO) but some officers who transferred to the RAFVR in Jan 1938 retained their 70,000 service numbers."

    So I looked up these numbers and the first 3 are

    George Mills ADAMS 70000 P.O Probation Class AA 27th June 1933 ex WW1
    John Nares ADDINSELL 70001 P.O Probation Class AA 8th June 1934
    Barry Thomson AIRMAN 70002

    Also from

    https://www.pprune.org/aviation-hist...cers-rafo.html

    Class F circa 1935 Airman pilots with no previous experience. This class was closed with the formation of the RAFVR in 1937. 30 hours/year

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