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    I have Flt Lt Scargill conducting Highball trials with the Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment during the Autumn of 1945. He was part of the team that included Sqd Leader Jacques who was killed while conducting similar trials with Mosquito DZ579/G. I believe Scargill to be the same Flt Lt Scargill who earlier that year crashed in Spitfire RM627 on a sortie.
    Flt Lt L H Scargill made his way back to Britain and I suspect he is the same Scargill who served with MAEE afterwards. It was not unknown for air crew members, who had been shot down over enemy territory, to be assigned to MAEE on returning to Britain. Please can anyone confirm Lt L H Scargill flew with the MAEE?
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    Possibly:
    12th July 1941. 1176879 LAC Lionel Hamilton SCARGILL Cmd Plt Off(p) (101093) RAFVR GD (many hits for 101093 in LG, including a DFC).
    Enlisted Block 1150001-1250000 RAFVR Cardington 01-Apr-40 to 31-Mar-41.
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    Hello,

    One other possibility:-

    SCARGILL, Myles Chapman. FL. (127501), RAFVR. 236Sqn.
    London Gazette: 15/8/1944.p.3772.

    This officer has completed a large number of sorties, including numerous successful attacks on shipping. He has invariably displayed a high degree of courage, skill and resolution, qualities which were amply displayed in a recent attack on an enemy convoy. During the engagement his aircraft was hit by anti-aircraft fire which caused a rocket projectile to explode beneath the wing, in spite of this, Flight Lieutenant Scargill pressed home his attack with great determination, obtaining hits on his target. He set a fine example to all.

    DFC2,M-Z/N & C Carter/Savannah,1998/p.1479.

    and ...

    APPENDIX I - Aircrew who served with (No.618) Squadron *.

    Name & Initials - SCARGILL, M C.
    Rank - Flt Lt.
    Awards - DFC.
    From - 236 Sqn.
    Died - -
    To -4/45 repat to UK.

    Appendix II - New crews posted in on re-formation of (618) Squadron.

    On 11th July 1944 the following inward postings were promulgated:-

    From 236 Squadron: Flt Lt MC Scargill & Flg Offs DJ Barker and Penfold & Flt Lt Savage, Warr Off Stacey & Flt Sgt Morris.

    See:
    A Most Secret Squadron The First Full Story of 618 Squadron and its Special Detachment Anti-U-Boat Mosquitos.
    Curtis,Des DFC.
    London:Grub Street,1995.
    pp.195-6

    * No.618 Sqn had been involved with "Highball" trials in Australia with their Mosquitoes (1944-45).

    Col
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    Hello All,
    I have:-
    Births Q1 1915 SCARGILL, Lionel H (MMS Baillie-Hamilton) Reg Cleobury Mortimer 6a 987 (FREEBMD)
    GRO Marine Death Indices (1903 To 1965) (from FMP)
    British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
    Lionel H Scargill
    Death year 1956-60. Birth year 1914
    Type Consular/Overseas
    Place Peregrine
    Page 50A Age 42
    Birth date ? ? 1914

    Could have been born late 1914, but not Reg until early 1915.
    Mother’s second surname accounts for his second forename.
    His stated age fits with death reg.
    But most interestingly “Peregrine” I find is in Colorado, USA, and the current(?) location of the USAF Officer’s School.
    Colorado is a long way from the sea for it to be a “Marine” death?
    If he was actually at the USAF Officer’s School, what was he doing there?, and where/how did he die?
    Very curious?
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    Hello,

    Re: Mr L. H. Scargill.

    Fairey Firefly TT.4 VG965 - Airwork FRU Hurn ('044') 7.3.57. After providing target practice for "Bulwark", collided head-on with (Firefly) VG967 off Flamborough Head, Cat ZZ 15.11.57 (Mr LH Scargill & Winch Op Mr J Falkhard killed.

    Fairey Firefly TT.4 VG967 - Airwork FRU Hurn (still '505/FD') 25.2.57; After providing target practice for "Bulwark" collided head-on with (Firefly) VG965 off Flamborough Head. Cat ZZ. 15.11.57 (Mr JJ Phillips and Winch Operator Mr J Pye killed)

    See:
    Fleet Air Arm Fixed-Wing Aircraft since 1946
    Sturtivant,R,. Burrow,M. & L Howard.
    Tonbridge:Air-Britain (Historians),2004.
    p.258

    Ford, recommissioned as HMS Peregrine on 1 February 1950, being paid off for the last time on 13 November 1958.

    Hurn used by Airwork Ltd from 1 September 1952 for the civilian operated Fleet Requirements Unit. Ceased to be used when this moved to Yeovilton on 16 October 1972.

    Col.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robin bird View Post
    I believe Scargill to be the same Flt Lt Scargill who earlier that year crashed in Spitfire RM627 on a sortie.
    Hi Robin,

    This particular Scargill is F/L Lionel Hamilton SCARGILL (101903), previously mentioned by Peter and Col. He was with 541 Sqn and FTR from a photo recce sortie to the Bielefeld area on 04 Mar 45. He was flying Spitfire PR.XIX RM627.

    I have a note that his logbook(s) is held by the RAFM though I haven't seen it.

    Best Regards

    Andy Fletcher
    Last edited by Andy Fletcher; 22nd June 2019 at 10:22. Reason: Additional Info
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    thank you all for feedback. Flt Lt M C Scargill 'A Most Secretv Squadron' will be my man. Don't have a copy. Can any member of forum look him up for me?

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    Hello All,

    Births Q1 1917 Scargill, Myles C (MMS Baillie-Hamilton) Reg Cleobury M 6a 837
    Mid-Jan 1941(?) Enlisted 1383554 in Block 1375001-1400000 RAFVR Euston 01-Aug-40 to 30-Nov-41
    15 May 1942 1383554 Sgt Myles Chapman Scargill Cmd Plt Off(p) RAFVR GD (127501)
    15 Nov 42 M. C. SCARGILL (127501) Prom Fg Off.
    15 Aug 1944 Award DFC
    Flight Lieutenant Myles Chapman SCARGILL (127501), R.A.F.V.R., 236 Sqn. This officer has completed a large number of sorties, including numerous successful attacks on shipping. He has invariably displayed a high degree of courage, skill and resolution, qualities which were amply demonstrated in a recent attack on an "enemy" convoy. During the engagement his aircraft was hit by anti-aircraft fire which caused a rocket projectile to explode beneath the wing. In spite of this, Flight Lieutenant Scargill pressed home his attack with great determination, obtaining hits on his target. He has set a fine example to all.

    Note: Same MMS and Birth Reg District as previous Scargill! Prob brothers?

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    Peter Davies
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    cheers, robin

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