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    Hi all, I have found some basic info here https://uboat.net/articles/19.html but I am iterested in exact positions deliminating the area.
    According to one document from the TNA patrol "Enclose 58-1" in Bay of Biscay I am interested in was since 21 March 1943 delimited by postions with degrees are coded as
    KQTQ - THTQ - KQAF - THAF - THHY - KQHY
    Anyone can decoded them please?

    TIA

    Pavel
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    Hello,

    Not exactly what you wanted, but it does explain "ENCLOSE I and II".

    https://uboat.net/articles/19.html

    "DERANGE", was a larger-scale version of "ENCLOSE II" - 4500N to 4900N and 01000W to 01200W - 13 April to 6 June 1943.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 6th August 2019 at 06:44.

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    Thanks Colin I have seen the link before but after checking once more I have found out that there are also degrees (I have missed them when I was looking at the page previosly) - not sure how the red rectangle is accurate but at least someting.

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    Hello Pavel

    I’ve been looking at Vol.4 of The RAF in Maritime War and in Chapter III (pt.vii) on p.89, there is reference to Operation Enclose. Apparently the area was to be bounded between 07deg 00sec to 10deg 30sec W and from 44deg 30sec to 48deg 30sec N. I must point out that although the most northerly line (48deg 30sec) is not specified, on a map accompanying the narrative, landfall if drawn further east to the French coast is just north of Brest, so my best guess without visiting the National Archive at Kew.

    Looking at the narrative it was intended for an aircraft to enter this area at a specified point on the northern edge proceeding to the most southerly line then return on a near reciprocal track. Operation Enclose according to the narrative ran from 20Mar to 28Mar’43.

    I have some of the CC Command & Group ORBs from that time frame, so if you are looking at a particular squadron, I might be able to help a little further and see if we can crack the locations quoted in your original post.

    Kind regards
    Pierre

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    Hi Pierre, thank you for your post and kind offier of further help.
    From the Group ORB and other documents I came to conclusion that there were several different Enclose patrols defined per unit.
    So my "Enclose 58-1" has to be dedicated to No. 58 Squadron.
    If you would contact me off-board via e-mail I can send you the document which draw my attention to this matter.

    Pavel
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