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    https://www.dehavillandmuseum.co.uk/...-vampire-t-11/


    Does anyone know at what serial and approx date these were they retrofitted ?

    Trying to get a handle on some losses and why some say abandoned and others ejected

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    Hi Paul,

    WZ419 fitted with Martin Baker Mk 2 manual seats at Christchurch. F/F 7.4.53. Criticised by A & AEE who recommended another type of seat.

    Martin Baker Mk 3B automatic release seats with 120 knots and 200 feet minimum operation, fitted to T.11 from 144th aircraft on line. Earlier aircraft modified by Marshalls at Cambridge between March 1954 and December 1957.

    Source DH Vampire by David Watkins

    best wishes Peter

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    There is a listing of Martin Baker ejections in Sir James Martin by Sarah Sharman

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    Peter thanks for that I am going through the first 100 in Sherman book I think some details wrong and others missed

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    Is there a similar aircraft identification for the first T.55 export model factory-fitted with an ejection seat; these (made for export) aircraft did not usually have RAF serial numbers.
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    Early T11s with bird cage canopies did not have ejection series while latter ones had ejection seats.

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    Not in the listing of Martin Baker ejections in Sir James Martin by Sarah Sharman

    From:

    http://www.ukserials.com/losses-1956.htm

    19/01/1956

    XD609

    Coded C

    Vampire T11

    FWS (Fighter Weapons School)

    The pilot ejected five miles SE of Leconfield, Yorkshire after the engine failed


    The pilot was Sdn/Ldr Philip Richard Robinson #47115Philip Richard Robinson #47115

    Not sure what the "144 aircraft" on Production Line was but XD609 would be around 240 ish



    05/03/1956

    XH297

    Vampire T11

    RAFC (RAF College)

    The crew ejected over Newark, Notts after the elevator controls failed.

    Crew were Sqn/Ldr Cyril Charles Povey #173433 (Instructor)
    and Fl/Lt Clive Patrick Francis #607011

    Only Clive Patrick Francis listed in Sir James Martin by Sarah Sharman

    A lot of books quote Francis as the Instructor and do not name the other crew member - However news reports do and
    say Povey was Instructor. XH297 would have had an ejection seat from start

    I have to check Cummings but I think there was another T11 loss a few days before
    05/03/1956 XH297 which mention "abandoned"

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    My queries re Vampires concern these 2 in November 1955


    https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/153795


    https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=153796

    Crashed and destroyed 1/11/1955: The aircraft entered a spin during a stall turn. The instructor was unable to control the aircraft and both crew (Master Pilot F.J. Evans (instructor) and Pilot Officer Robert Jago (pupil pilot)) baled out at 15.000 feet. XE961 crashed at Holbeach St. Marks, four miles north of Holbeach, Lincolnshire


    Cannot fully ID Master Pilot F. J. Evans but P/O R. H. Jago is Robert Hawson JAGO (2591480) in XE961 but this is listed in Sir James Martin by Sarah Sharman


    the first only crewman so far Identified is XD539 is > 144th T11 aircraft produced but crew not listed in Sir James Martin by Sarah Sharman



    P/O Patrick Arthur de Courcy SWOFFER #583744

    Crashed and destroyed 3/11/1955: The aircraft had been taking photographs of a Hawker Hunter display team.

    All the aircraft arrived back at Odiham at the same time and congested the approach frequency. The ATC at Odiham diverted the Vampire to Farnborough but failed to inform the ATC there. Due to low fuel the pilot and passenger were forced to bale out when the engine cut.

    XD539 crashed one mile south of Frensham, Surrey, on Frensham Common, between the King's Ridge and the Little Pond (now called 'Vampire Flats').

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    XD539 second crewman is an unknown USAF Cameraman

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