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    Default 115 Sqn Wellington Incident Late 1939

    I have a 115 Sqn crew who all seemed to have bailed out of a 115 Sqn Wellington in Late 1939 (Oct/Nov/Dec) but I can't find a loss for them can anyone else ?


    P/O R A Gayford
    Sgt R H Hardy
    Sgt William L MacDonald #580877
    LAC W Smith
    AC1 Robert C Peel #629076

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    Paul,

    Thought l'd make your day !

    GAYFORD, Roy Allen., F/O (40295)
    Killed in Action - (Runnymede)

    Born in Olds, but raised in Bassano, Alberta. He enlisted in August 1937, and flew on a raid on the Kiel Canal on the first day of the war. In November 1939, returning in a damaged aircraft, he baled out and broke an ankle. Flying with No.115 Squadron in Whimps on April 7 1940*, he was lost on a raid over Sylt Island.

    See:
    Canadians in the Royal Air Force
    Allison,Les.
    Roland:Author,1978.
    p.142

    * BCL1/35. Peel and Macdonald lost on same op (different a/c.).

    1 step forward, 2 back ! Allison is notoriously unreliable !!

    Col.
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    Col

    So that's getting better looking for Wellington loss November 1939 115 Sqn

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    Paul,

    Dug a little deeper:-

    Three further sweeps were flown that month (December 1939), on the 18th (three aircraft), 21st (18 aircraft) and 24th (17 ? aircraft), all with no result. The last of these called for the aircraft to sweep the Danish and Norwegian coastal areas. The six involved in the Danish operation returned with no problems, but those sent to Norway had not returned by the time fog had started to form at Marham. One eventually reached home using direction finding (DF), but of the other two, Sqn Ldr Glencross landed at Mildenhall and Fg Off Newman* crash-landed at Martlesham Heath. The latter aircraft had an hydraulic problem, probably caused by battle damage, and the captain ordered the crew to bale out before he attempted a crash-landing.

    See:
    RAF Marham.
    Delve,Ken.
    Sparkford:P.S.L.,1995.
    pp.26 & 29

    * P/O Gayford flew as F/O Newman's second pilot on No.115 Squadron's abortive 8th October 1939 raid.

    Iffy, but we don't have much else. If it doesn't help with this query, maybe a later one.

    l have checked the 115 Squadron losses in Appendix II of Delve's, RAF Marham, and the Loss Lists in Chris Ward and Steve Smith's 3 Group Bomber Command. Neither show any 1939 losses.

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    Nov/Dec 1939

    OK so we have a 115 Sqn Wellington that possibly damaged and landed OK but crew except pilot bailed out - thta prob why can't find crash reference

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    Gents,

    This could be Wellington Mk.Ia N2948 or N2848 of No.115 Squadron which was reported to have crashed at RAF Martlesham Heath on December 24th 1939 at around 18.00hrs skippered by F/O John Francis Newman 37823*. the remainder of his crew appears to have bailed out.

    If you want the full crew list please let me know.

    *Later Group Captain DSO DFC

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    Steve thanks.. If you could confirm crew the would be great and serial would be a bonus


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    Default 115 Sqn Wellington Incident Late 1939

    Hello,
    Perhaps this list may help.
    From the Air Brit RAF Serials series.
    Wellingtons delivered between July 38 & Aug 39.
    Used by 115 Sqn
    L4221,L4295,L4299,L4300,L4301,L4305,L4306,L4307,L4 317,
    L4318,L4319,L4321,L4323,L4324,L4325,L4333,L4334
    Delivered between Aug 39 & Apl 40
    L7774
    Delivered between July & Aug 40
    N2735 to N2859
    In case the July is 39 and not 40 as I assume it to be.
    N2755,N2756,N2759,N2760,N2855
    Delivered between Aug & Dec 39
    N2875,N2876,N2877,N2878,N2884,N2885,N2899,N2900,N2 901,
    N2902,N2947,N2948,N2949,N2950,N2987,N2988,N2989,N2 990.
    Delivered between Dec 39 & Jan 40
    P2524
    Delivered between Jan & Apl 39
    P9207,P9224,P9226,P9227,P9229,P9230,P9235,P9236

    Good Hunting,
    All the best
    Alex

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    re: Wellington Mk.Ia N2948 or N2848 of No.115 Squadron on December 24th 1939


    Steve this is 100% the incident it is proved by newpaper report on other thread


    "Martlesham Heath: the story of the Royal Air Force Station, 1917-1973: Book got it? "

    by fact that one of the crew who parachuted broke hs Ankle which matchs the report in Canadans in RAF that P/O Roy A Gayford broke his ankle in "November 1939!

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    Paul,

    The other crew members :

    Pilot Officer R.A Gayford 40298 Injury to ankle.
    Sergeant R.H Hardy 580825. Not injured.
    AC2 R.C Peel 629076. Not injured.
    Sergeant W.L McDonald 508877. Not injured.
    LAC W Smith 551322. Not injured.

    Damage to the Wellington consisted of geodetic damage to the underside, engine mounts bent slightly, bomb doors broken and both airscrews bent. Aircraft Cat 2.

    Source Air 25/56

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