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    Default 4. 8. 1943 Spitfire crashed into the sea off Orkneys

    Hi all,

    I am trying to establish identity of Spitfire which is believed to crash into the sea about 10 miles off Rora Head, Orkneys, on 4.8.1943.
    Any help much appreciated

    TIA

    Pavel
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    Hello,

    Could it be::

    27.7.1943
    HMS Illustrious 894 Sqn
    Seafire IIC MB187

    Crashed in sea 9 miles west of Rora Head, engaged 10.10 hours in fighter direction exercise with ship.

    Sub.Lt(A) Robert W. D. FORBES RNZNVR - Missing, presumed killed.

    See:
    Sky Over Scapa 1939-1945
    Lamb,Gregor
    N.p.,:Byrgisey,1990?
    p.155

    Col.
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    Hi Colin, thank you for provided info. It looks promising except for the date.
    My source is 312 Sq ORB for 4.8.1943: "11.00 Scramble for Air Sea Rescue. One Spitfire reported to crash in to the sea 10 miles west off Rora Head. Nothing sighted. "
    So from my point of view it must be "a fresh accident" otherwise it would be not a scramble?

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    Pavel

    No mention of anything untoward in the ORB for July 27th 1943, so a couple of other possibilities:

    Maybe a false alarm if they found no trace? Or maybe an enemy aircraft?

    Regards

    Simon

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    Thank you Simon, you are right - it may be a false alarm. I do not expect an enemy single engine fighter would be operation over Orkneys in 1943? Also I have doubts a long range enemy aircraft which would be twin or four engine one would be mistaken for a Spitfire?

    Anyway thank you for suggestions.

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    Hi Pavel, Kirkwall Fighter Sector Log for 4th August 1943 states: "Search for Spitfire thought to be in the sea". Then states;" The report was later thought to be inaccurate". So it seems likely one was just late getting back from a patrol.

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    Dave thank you very much! It confirms my own conclusion I have already stated in my text so I can support it by the original document. Much appreciated.

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    Default Unreliable report from Coastguard

    Quote Originally Posted by CZ_RAF View Post
    Hi all,

    I am trying to establish identity of Spitfire which is believed to crash into the sea about 10 miles off Rora Head, Orkneys, on 4.8.1943.
    Any help much appreciated

    TIA

    Pavel
    The incident (or lack of one) is mentioned in the 282 Squadron ORB. The squadron was based at Castletown and provided ASR cover for the area. At 1040 hrs on 4th August they received info that an aircraft had ditched and in response they scrambled an Anson and a Walrus at 1052. They continued to search for 2 1/2 hours without seeing anything before being recalled. The ORB states "subsequent information revealed that Ops received unreliable information from Coastguard at Dunnet Head who apparently thought he saw a Spitfire dive into the sea"

    Hope this helps

    Regards,

    Chris

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    Hi Chris, thank you for interesting info. Much appreciated.

    Pavel
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