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    Hi guys

    I'm looking for the serial numbers of two Harvards of 1 FTS that collided in the air on 23/9/39; both pilots (Casey and Kettle) were killed.

    Another 1 FTS Harvard was lost on 13/11/39 with the death of pilot Copsey. Again, serial number required.

    Many thanks
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    The two Harvards that collided were P5791 an P5792 but I do not know who was on which one. I wonder if this is unique for consecutive numbers to have a collision


    N7043 was the one on 13/11/39

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    Many thanks Paul, much appreciated. I wonder if you can help with the following training crashes re serial numbers, please. A bit cheeky, I know, but I have never had time to research training units.

    23/2/40 Hart 1 FTS (Skinner)
    15/5/40 Hart 7 SFTS (Rees)
    29/5/40 Hind 1 FTS (Hyland)
    14/7/40 Hind 1 SFTS (Farquhar)
    17/8/40 Hart 7 SFTS (Culley/Irvine)
    31/12/40 Tiger Moth 14 EFTS (Stockham)

    Many thanks
    Brian

    (Acknowledgement in forthcoming book!)

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    Brian,

    The numbers you seek are

    13/11/39 N7403
    23/2/40 K5806
    15/5/40 K4377
    23/5/40 K6751
    14/7/40 K6658
    17/8/40 K5799
    31/12/40 K4272

    regards

    daveW

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    Concerning collisions of sequential serials: RCAF Tiger Moths 5922 and 5923 had a close encounter of the Category C type on the ground at Regina on 2 April 1943, at No. 15 EFTS. And an almost sequential one: Tiger Moths 5899 and 5901 on the ground at No. 10 EFTS at Hamilton on 6 January 1942. I recall a few similar ones, but can't find them right now.

    Trainers for the RCAF schools were usually delivered to Schools in batches of sequential numbers when new, so coincidences like this were fairly common.
    Last edited by Bill Walker; 15th August 2008 at 21:03.

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    Many thanks Dave and Bill

    Excellent responses

    Cheers
    Brian

    MiD also, Dave!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian View Post
    Hi guys

    I'm looking for the serial numbers of two Harvards of 1 FTS that collided in the air on 23/9/39; both pilots (Casey and Kettle) were killed.

    Another 1 FTS Harvard was lost on 13/11/39 with the death of pilot Copsey. Again, serial number required.

    Many thanks
    Brian
    From my 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services Since 1915 (Vol One: Fates 1915-1942)':
    Sat 23 Sep 1939
    Training Command
    Formation practice
    1 Service Flying Training School, RAF (Netheravon, Wiltshire - 23 Group)
    Harvard I P5791 - collided with another of the School’s Harvard Is (P5792), both of which caught fire and crashed at Collingbourne Kingston, 5 miles NE of the airfield. At least three airmen died, the New Zealander and one other being buried at Netheravon.
    Pilot: Midshipman (A) John Clutha CASEY, RN, of HMS Pembroke (FAA) - Age 21.
    Casey was the first New Zealand member of the Fleet Air Arm to lose his life in WWII, albeit in a RAF aircraft.

    And Amendment from Vol Three:

    p71: CASEY, J C - an aircraftman 'passenger' in his Harvard was also killed. P5792 was being flown solo.

    Errol

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian View Post

    17/8/40 Hart 7 SFTS (Culley/Irvine)
    Also from my Vol One:

    Sat 17 Aug 1940
    Training Command
    Instrument flying practice
    7 Service Flying Training School, RAF (Peterborough, Northamptonshire - 23 Group)
    Hart Trainer K5799 - spun in at 1100 from a low height and crashed at Deeping St Nicholas, near Spalding, Lincolnshire. Both pilots died, the New Zealander being buried at Peterborough.
    Pilot: FX78421 Leading Airman Edward George CULLEY, RN, of HMS Daedalus (FAA) - Age 18.

    Errol

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    Many thanks Errol, I will add that to my notes.

    Yet another MiD!

    Best from damp England

    Brian

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    Brian,
    This is what I may come up from my files:
    P5791 - CASEY and AC1 William R.W. PHILLIPS - 534924 - death reg. Devizes/Wilts.
    P5792 - Mid/A Roger T.B. KETTLE - HMS Pembroke - sole occupant.
    N7043 - COPSEY and F/Lt Wilson I. HAMMOND - 37065 (from Canada).
    K4377 - Ldg Naval Airman John REES - D/JX.135276 - HMS Daedalus.
    K6658 - FARQUHAR and Sub.Lt/A D. PHILLIPS - HMS Daedalus (survived).
    K4272 - Sgt (Pilot/Instr.) Donald STOCKTON - 740333 and Ldg Naval Airman Alan ARMSTRONG - FX.81988 - HMS Daedalus.
    K6751 - Hind - 29-5-1940 - Lt Raymond J. HYLAND - HMS Daedalus.
    Best regards,
    Henk.

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