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    Could anyone confirm whether the TNA "WO 416 1939-1945 War Office: German Record cards of British and Commonwealth Prisoners of War and some Civilian Internees, Second World War" are the Personalkarte that are sometimes seen online or are they something different

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    Pete,

    Both.

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ls/r/C14541141

    I seem to recall that access to this series is somewhat limited.

    Regards,

    Dave
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    Hello,

    Here is an example of a Personalkarte for AUS410615 W/O John ANSELL RAAF:

    Front: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C385800

    Reverse: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C385801

    Ansell was picked up in the Pyrenees (on 21..4.1944), about 1 mile from the Spanish border.

    BCL5/103 - 25/26.2.1944 - 50 Sqn. Lancaster I LL791:VN-O.

    Col.
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    I have obtained copies of records from WO416 at Kew but only for airmen who had been killed. As such the cards were the more basic type (often seen marked up in red as "KExxxx"). The cards had only name, number, rank, fate and date with a black cross. I am of the opinion that these at Kew may be German duplicate cards as the "marked up" KE cards are I believe held with the casualty packs.

    I was able to obtain these cards from Kew under a Freedom of Information Act request and had to prove that each airman was indeed dead. They were willing to accept proof in the form of a link to the airman's entry on the CWGC website. It was not a short process.

    HTH

    Mike

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    Thanks for the feedback; I have some examples of both types of card, but was struggling to confirm which were held under WO416 (as most are still closed [under the 100 year rule, I believe])

    I am guessing that there is not a central source containing the Personalkarte (or are these the ones that are held by the IRCC)?

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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