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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 19-3-1941

    What caused the death of and/or what were the places of death registration for:

    AC1 Leonard R.J. BUXTON - 909809 - killed on active service;
    F/O (Pilot) Alan L. MUNRO - 78856 - killed on active service;
    Sgt (Pilot) Thomas POWELL - 741271 - killed on active service;
    AC2 Stanley W. ROGERS - 847201 - 4 BC, 910 (Balloon) Sqn, Dagenham, Essex - killed on active service;
    Lac/Cadet (Pilot u/t) Herbert G. SEATON - 1052110 - killed on active service, and
    AC2 Arthur WORTHINGTON - 539965 - 14 BC, 958 (Balloon) Sqn, Swansea - died of wounds or injuries received on active service.

    Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

    Henley I - L3379 - 1 AAS - flew into ground 2˝ mile N of North Coates.
    Magister I - N3815 - 15 EFTS - crashed on overshoot Kirkpatrick LG.
    Magister I - N3836 - 15 EFTS - crashed on take-off Kingstown.
    Master I - N8016 - 5 FTS - dived into ground Conway, Caernarvonshire.
    Oxford I - V3228 - RAFC - crashed Barkston LG.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    L R J Buxton 23 years, Louth district.
    T Powell There are four T powells listed for this Quarter but!!
    T Powell age 25 listed for Louth District. The other three men are 44 and over.
    North Coates is in the Louth District http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/louth.html

    A L Munro 25 years, Merioneth S. district.

    S W Rogers 34 years in the llford district.

    Seaton is not in the Eng -Wal Q1 to Q4. There is one Herbert Seaton in the correct age range on the scotlandspeople but I've no credits to check any further.

    A Worthington theres a 21 year old listed in the bridgend district.

    Henk, where its available in the CWGC can you add the age of the airman in your posts, its not likely to make a difference but the Powell case above it would help.

    regards

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    Here is the entry from the 5 FTS ORB for the Master, I see the location given is a considerable distance from that in the ORB, about 30 miles.

    March 19th 1941, “Barmouth, Master T8016 crashed and P/O, A.L. Munro and Sgt J.A.H.
    Mallet both received fatal injuries.”

    The two 15 EFTS accidents appear to have been none fatal.

    March 19th 1941, “N3815 – A/Cpl Semmerling – crashed at Kirkpatrick, the Pilot having
    stalled when attempting a sideslip in to land.”

    March 19th 1941, “N3836 – LAC Milne – crashed and Pilot seriously injured, engine having
    cut on take off and Pilot attempting to turn back.”

    I found an entry in my records for Seaton, he was with No.8 FTS.

    March 19th 1941, “No.1052110 LAC Seaton, H.G. crashed in flames in Master N7619; error
    of judgement whilst night flying. Pilot killed. Investigation held on 21/3/41.”
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    The register lists a Jacques Mallet age 21 in the Mereioneth S district.

    Perhaps a French pilot?

    Barmouth is in the District:
    http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/merioneth%20south.html

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    Must have been either French as he is not listed by CWGC and they tended to list Belgian casualties as they were members of the RAF rather than with a semi-independant force.
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    Thanks Dennis and Al.
    Dennis: My "unaccounted" list unfortunately has no info on 'age', so have to check every name at the CWGC-website.
    Al: Yes, he was French. Sgt Jacques Mallet (alias Jacques CHAKLET), svcnr 30281 was Free French and already in my files under Master serial N8016. Now can add the second name.
    Best regards,
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    I know it's now quite an old thread.

    I've just been discussing N8016 on the phone, prior to a visit to Hendon, and pulled up the copy of the 1180 I obtained last October. I can now see where the location of Conway came from. There are two differing locations, one in the same ink and heaviness of writing as most of the text on the form (including a/c & engine id and most of the reference numbers on the side) and then someone has come along later and circled Barmouth and written in a darker ink below Conway, Caerns.

    This is not an isolated alteration to a form sometime after they were written as they appear on the microfilms at Hendon, I am aware or a few now that have locations moved, often by 10s of miles. Fortunately with most apparent changes the death registrations have helped to highlight which location is correct as long distance moves tend to show a difference in district and county.
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    LAC H.R. Seaton was killed at Kinnaber when Master N7619 crashed. Kinnaber is 1 KM North of Montrose runway. Seaton is buried at Worksop,Retford Rd Cemetery.

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    N7619 is in the ABS crash list and ABS as crashing on approach at Cranwell 4/5/43, altho' still marked as with 8 FTS which by then had disbanded. Was it repaired after the Montrose accident I wonder?

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    Hi Henk,

    F1180 for the Henley L3379 has 2 killed and lists pilot as Sgt T Powell.

    So going by registration district I would add the other fatality as
    AC1 Leonard R.J. BUXTON - 909809 - killed on active service;

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