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    Default JC Bonet / EA Alliston (35 Squadron)

    I have been asked to assist with piecing together information for a new memorial to the crew of Halifax LW343 (35 Squadron) which crashed in Holland.

    A summary of the loss can be found at https://35squadron.wordpress.com/201...w343-03121943/

    There are two outstanding issues, the first being the respective roles of J.20043 JC Bonet and 144047 EA Alliston, as various sources (CWGC site, 35 Squadron ORB, Loss Card) have conflicting information about who was the Navigator and who was the Air Bomber.

    The second is the identity of 1578044 HH or HM Smith, as various sources (Footprints, Loss Card, Air 78) have conflicting initials and no forenames (other than Harold Mornington or Harold Hornington? on the Air 78 record). It was hoped that the POW Liberation Questionnaire would clarify the matter, but there does not appear to be one for either of these initials at the National Archives.

    It is understood that the crew, with DJH Cheal as the Captain, flew with No 51 Squadron prior to being posted to No 35 Squadron in October 1943, so there may be details there which might clarify either or both of these matters.

    For obvious reasons, the inscription on the memorial needs to be correct, so any help would be very much appreciated.

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    The Canadian J C Bonet was a Bombing Officer by trade as per the Canada Gazette of 17th November 1945

    Chris

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    The air 78 card looks very much like Mornington to me, and is filed in the place for Mornington not Hornington.

    Chris

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    https://af.billiongraves.com/grave/P...778948?lang=ja

    He married his first wife in Chorlton UK. On ancestry he is shown married to Vera Sydney Smart but without the name Peter. Unusual name and right age.

    Chris

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    He is HH Smith 1578044 on ALL POW Records on Find My past

    Record Transcription:
    Prisoners Of War 1715-1945
    What can I do with this record?
    Is this the same person?
    We've found the following potential record matches for the same person in other record sets
    Herbert H Smith

    Record: 1939 Register

    Location: London, England

    Year of census: 1939

    Henry H Smith

    Record: 1939 Register

    Location: London, England

    Year of census: 1939

    Herbert Henry Smith

    Record: First World War Record

    Location: Great Britain

    Year of service: 1918

    H H Smith

    Record: First World War Record

    Location: Bancourt British Cemetery, France

    Year of service: 1916

    Henry Hill Smith

    Record: Parish Baptisms Record

    Location: Glamorganshire, Wales

    Year of birth: 1843

    Harry Holt Smith

    Record: Parish Burials Record

    Location: Cambridgeshire, England

    Year of death: 1886

    First name(s) H. H.
    Last name Smith
    Service number 1578044
    Rank Flight Sergeant
    Regiment/corps Royal Air Force : Officers & Other Ranks
    Year -
    Prison camp or ship Muhlberg (Elbe)
    Camp type Stalag
    Section Royal Air Force : Officers & Other Ranks
    Camp number 4B
    Camp location Muhlberg (Elbe)
    Country Great Britain
    Conflict World War 2
    Archive -
    Record set Prisoners Of War 1715-1945
    Last edited by paulmcmillan; 26th November 2019 at 11:35.

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    Chris

    Thanks for the feedback

    I too have Bonet as the Air Bomber, but the grave for Alliston has him as Air Bomber .. perhaps they both qualified as an Air Bomber, but Alliston was performing the role of Navigator (hence the confusion) .... I don't know whether the memorial should show the airmen's trade or the role he was performing at the time of the loss. I will start to look through the 51 Squadron ORB's online to see what information they have (unless anyone has got a quicker way of accessing 51 Squadron records)

    I also have "Mornington", but all other documents show him as HH .... so again, this needs further confirmation before the memorial is inscribed .... your link showing him as Peter Harold Mornington Smith gives me another route to see if his POW Liberation Questionnaire is filed under PHM Smith at the National Archives

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Mornington It is

    1939 Register


    Harold M Smith 24 Jul 1923 Male Window Cleaner Single 54 4 Solihull

    He is on BMD for Qtr 3 in Solihull as Harold M Smith as well

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    His 1947 NZ Immigration record on FamilySearch

    Is Peter H M Smith

    He was aged 23 and arrived Wellington NZ on the Largs Bay out if Sydney Australia

    Shows he was using "Peter" at the time

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    Paul

    Thanks for the feedback ... I am now pursuing the (Peter) Harold Mornington option .... hopefully that will resolve the conundrum

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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