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    Hello, I'm doing research into my grandfathers service in the RAF during world war 2 and am looking for advice.


    I've located the only serviceman with his name in the AIR78 index. (Thanks to this site)
    The index card is stamped with a capital F inside a circle which I understand means this person signed up pre-war sometime between 1935 - 1937, approx


    The catch is that the service number is too low. It is allocated for 'Oct 1925 civillians'
    If this is the correct person then it means he signed up when he was 7 years old.


    Here is what I need help with


    1. Could he have signed up late 1930's and still be allocated a service number from the 1925 range?


    2. Is it possible for class F reserves to be posted over-seas? I though this was a no-no
    I have photos of him as an NCO wearing what appears to be warm weather uniform ie. light colour.
    The photo frame is original and from a photographers studio in Adelaide, Australia.


    3. On another airmens index card I've seen the letters 'KS' appended.
    Does anyone know what these letters mean?


    4. Without being sure of the service number, I'm planning to apply for my grandfathers service records without stating a service number.
    Could this cause a problem?


    Thanks in advance

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    The AIR 78 Card shows his service number, and you say that you have this? Therefore I'm slightly confused as to why you say that you don't? You don't actually list this specific number, so I can't comment much further, however, the number block was allocated to civilian recruits who joined the service FROM October 1925. If it is the block I am thinking of (5XXXXX), then this was still being used for new recruits in 1938.

    Your grandfather appears to have been a regular airman, but at some point he joined the Class F Reserve, ergo, he could easily have been posted overseas during his regular service. Please note that service personnel are not always 'posted' overseas. They can visit on exercise, be attached, transit through, etc.

    I'm not sure what 'KS' means, as I've never noticed it on a card.

    The RAF Disclosures folk will be able to pull your grandfather's service record without the number, but as you already seem to have it, why not include it on the form (with a caveat if necessary)?

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    Scotty I will ask again, there are a number of people here with a lot of knowledge to help you but it would help if you could supply your grandfathers name

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    Hello All,

    I've now got the service records. Quite an easy process and were delivered 4 weeks after submitting the request on 14/12.

    His records indicate he served with 238 squadron and saw service in Burma and Australia - no one in the family was aware of this and explains why he was photographed in Adelaide.

    For anyone interested in 238 squadron I found this website: https://raf238squadron.wordpress.com/

    I have one question regarding the service records: -
    The record lists his medal entitlements - is there anyway of finding out whether he actually collected them?

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    SB,

    The covering letter you got from RAF Disclosures should tell you (probably on page 2) how to enquire about the medals. In short - send a copy of the service record you now have to the Ministry of Defence Medal Office at Gloucester. If they have not been claimed already, by the recipient or next of kin, the nearest surviving NOK will be able to claim them. Good luck!

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    I'm looking for assistance in decoding & understanding some of the entries in the record

    There are posting to 2 units which I cannot identify.
    1. One looks like: 'ACS EA'. Is this correct and if so what did it do?
    2. The other looks like: '7 PRG'. I know what '7 (P) AFU' is but not '7 PRG'
    2a. Does anyone know what '2763 Sqdn0' and 'Stn Lympne (O)' means?
    ( O = Observer? and if so what duties does this entail?)

    3. For promotions it looks like it goes
    LAC -> T/Corporal (?) -> L/Sgt -> L/Cpl (?) which seems a bit odd to me.

    Does 'T' mean 'temporary', is 'L/Cpl' = 'LAC' ?

    [If I could figure out how to add an image I would but at present it's got me stumped]

    Thanks in advance

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    Hello

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    7 PRG should be 7th Photographic Reconnaissance Group, but that is a U.S. unit, not R.A.F. In this case, the context would help.

    2763 Squadron looks like a unit of the R.A.F. Regiment.

    What was the trade of the airman you are researching ?

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    Ok, here are the details of the serviceman who could be my grandfather:
    John Fernie Kyle 531391.
    For some reason I thought the (5XXXXX) service numbers were fully allocated after 1925.


    The other serviceman with the 'KS' on his card is:
    Thomas Frame Kyle 1520553
    I know he served with 138 squadron @ RAF Tempsford and was taken prisoner after his plane was shot down over Denmark in 1945

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    Various Air 78 cards have initials such as KS on them. I wouldn't read anything into that, Could just be the initials of the person completing the record, or entering the name onto a ledger. If your Grandfathers name is John Fernie Kyle then I have no doubt you have identified the right card.

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    Scotty


    I have no doubt you have found your grandfathers service number

    I did a 'near' number search on London Gazette


    ACCOUNTANT BRANCH
    To be Plt. Offs. on prob. (emergency): —

    Sgt. 531384 William Homo BUNDY (50793). 16th Feb. 1943


    Forces War Records has
    William Homow Bundy 531384 1925 Royal Air Force

    His unique name finds him easy to find in BMD records


    This individual was Born 1916 Died 1992

    So in 1925 he was '9' so he most likely enlisted in 1936 to 1938 bracket like your Grandfather

    As your grandfather was 7 in 1925 he was born in 1918 so he would be 18 in 1936 and 20 by 1938

    I Can't find exact DOB for your grandfather,I assume he was born in Scotland


    Paul

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