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    Default RAF bomber lost over Austria approx. 13.9.1944 - long shot

    Hi all,

    I am looking if there was any loss of RAF bomber (possibly Halifax) over Austria (possibly around Salzburg) on 13. 9. 1944 (possibly nights 12./13.9 or 13./14.9)?
    I suppose it must be an operation from Italy?

    Any help would be much appreciated.

    TIA

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    Hello Pavel,
    Have you looked at my data file in the section below re RAF/SAAF losses Austria ?
    Alex

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    Pavel,

    There were no No.205 Group losses in the area/dates you mention:

    Date: 12/13.9.44
    Target: Bologna East Rail Yards
    A/C Depatched: 90
    MIA: 2 (both 70 Sqn,)

    Date: 13/14.9.44
    Target: Athens airfields
    A/C Despatched: 98
    MIA: -

    Date: 14/15.9.44
    Target: Athens airfields
    A/C Despatched: 89
    MIA: 1 (70 Sqn.)

    Col.

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    Hello Col,

    Those two 70 Sqn a/c losses you give for the 12/13.9.44.

    Were they lost over Austria ?

    I have not found them to add to my list made up some time ago. What were the serial numbers please ?

    The one loss for 14/15.9.44 also is not listed in my document . What was this a/c serial number ?

    Thank you,
    Alex

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    Hi all,
    @ Colin - many thanks but it does not fit.
    @ Alex, I suppose Colin means:

    LP543/X
    MF625/C

    for 12/13.9.44 but they were not lost over Austria.

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    Thanks Pavel,
    But they were Wellington's, your question was about a possible Halifax .
    The only near date a/c was the Mosquito on the 13/10/44, NS656.
    Alex

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    Alex you are right. But my inputs are quite vague and I have no info which I can be sure is 100% correct. So I have to check all possibilities and also I cannot be sure with the date of loss as there was no Halifax loss AFAIK so far...

    Pavel
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    Hello,
    Don't know if you have noticed , but if I understand what I see on the 70 Sqn ORB pages via the NA. The dates in the orb are different to those we are given.
    We look for Losses on 12/13, but in the orb they are recorded as 13/14:)
    I speak of Muirhead a/c "B"; Hodge a/c "G" and McC- Mooney a/ "R".

    The others were

    14/15
    Wellington X - LN768 - Greece.

    21/
    Wellington X - LN498 - Hungary.

    With regard to Orchard's crew - HX525,"S".
    They were
    F/O. Orchard
    McFarlane, E.L.
    Briscoe, A.H.
    Jones, T.T.
    Hansell, H.
    Goldberg, H.B.
    Change on the 10/11 mission, ES993,"P", was Croft, C.W. replaced Hansell.
    Change on the 17/18 mission, ES983,"Z", was Croft, C. W replaced Hansell.

    Hope you follow my somewhat awkward explanation's.
    Alex
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 26th December 2019 at 20:58.

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    Alex, I am afraid I got lost:-) But never mind, it seems to me this long shot is a "blind lead."

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    Thank you chaps for your contributions so far.
    I have the following to add.
    Similarities of a Halifax with a B24 Liberator. Could mean that the search should include the following a/c.

    13/09/1944
    Austria
    B-24
    42-52283
    455 Bomb Group
    MACR
    8357

    Alex

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