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    Default Unknown A/c Crew's Middle East September 1942

    Hello,

    Unknown Crew member's.

    As a result of other searches, I wonder if any further info has come to light in regard crewmenber's of those a/c listed for September 1942 in "Bomber Losses in the Middle East and Mediterranean " vol 1(1939-1942 ) ?

    A/c are -

    Date - Type c. - Sqn. - S/n - Fate


    11. - Boston - 12 SAAF - AL797 - landingaccident.
    12. - Wellington 1c - 1 OADU - HD968 - SOC.
    12. - Wellington 1c - 1 OADU - W5396 - Landing accident, Luqa, DBR.
    14/15 - Wellington 1c - 70 Sqn - HX525 - Forced Landing in desert.
    16. - Baltimore III. - 55 Sqn. - AG787 - Crashed in forced landing.
    17 - Wellington II. - ME. - W5571 - Lost on ferry flight 24/07/42 NFD, SOC 17/09/42.
    17/18 - Wellington II. - 104 Sqn - Z8582 - Belly landed on return, DBR.
    18 - Blenheim - 14 Sqn. - Z5767 - SOC.
    20 - Boston III. - 24 SAAF - AL778 - SOC.
    24. - Wellington II. - 1 OADU. - Z8534. - T/O accident, Sierra Leon.
    24 - Wellington 1c. - 1 OADU. - HX643 - T/O accident.
    27/28 - Boston III. - 24 SAAF - Z2288 - Flak, SOC on return.
    28. - Boston III. - 24 SAAF - AL791 - MIA.

    Alex
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    Hi Alex,

    Blenheim - 14 Sqn. - Z5767

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?qnum=96820

    (70 Sqn (?) - something is wrong)

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    Mojmir

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    Z5767 for that entry was a mistake - it should have been Z8767 . fixed now
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    Hello Javan,
    18/09/42
    Blenheim IV - 14 Sqn Z5767 - SOC 18.9.42.
    Wellington 1c - 14 OTU - Z8767 - NFT - 5.10.43 at 48 MU.
    Ref: AB W1000-Z9999
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    arghh.. yet another typo - so the wellington lost on 14.9.42 with Flight Lieutenant Edmund Frederick William McCARTAN-MOONEY (41796) onboard - is it Z8787?
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=Z8787

    Henk had three Wellingtons on this day. ORB confirms but i havent trawled through the F541s yet..
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...ate=1942-09-14

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    Hi Jagan,

    According to "Bomber Losses in the Middle East and Mediterranean, Vol 1" McCartan-Mooney was the captain of Z8787 "R"

    Hopefully Errol has something on the two RNZAF casualties as it's an interesting story.

    Dave

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    Boston of 12 Sqn SAAF, AL797, landing accident, 11.9.42, was coded 'A'.

    Trio of 70 Sqn lost Wellingtons:
    Wellington Ic 'G' BB462
    One engine failed over Tobruk, force-landed in desert within Axis lines.
    P/O M.V. Hodge, G/C Kallot, Bratchell, Nilson, Baker + one unidentified, all PoW (one evaded but captured later).

    Wellington Ic 'R' Z8787
    Shot down over Tobruk.
    F/Lt E.F.W. McCartan-Mooney, Gadder, Spence, Landon, Prole, Piper - all PoW. Three killed on 18 September during escape attempt (McCartan-Mooney, Spence and Piper).

    Wellington Ic 'B' Z9044
    Damaged over Tobruk, force-landed on return.
    P/O Muirhead, Short, Gilding, Oldale, Burrell and Owens started to walk in the desert, but only Oldale survived.
    (The same crew also flew earlier on HF841/D in 70 Sqn.)

    Wellington Ic HX525/S of 70 Sqn was lost 14/15.9. (Forced landing in desert with the crew: F/O. Orchard; McFarlane, E.L.; Briscoe, A.H.; Jones, T.T.; Hansell, H.; Goldberg, H.B.)

    Boston III Z2288 of 24 Sqn SAAF was coded OZ-C, later reduced to 'C'. Hit by flak, belly landed, 2 fatalities, SOC, 27/28.9.42.

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    11. - Boston - 12 SAAF - AL797, "A" - landing accident.
    Nose wheel collapsed on landing on the 21/08/42. The a/c was destroyed during an air raid on the 11/09/1942.

    20 - Boston III. - 24 SAAF - AL778 - SOC., no further details.

    27/28 - Boston III. - 24 SAAF - Z2288 - Flak, SOC on return
    This a/c was damaged by flak, its crew were -
    Lt. G. COHEN SAAF - KIA.
    F/Sgt. J. C. Van ECK , SAAF - Kia.
    Lt. J.H. ARANGIES, SAAF - Pow.
    Air/Sgt. I. KREEL, SAAF - Pow.

    28. - Boston III. - 24 SAAF - AL791 - MIA
    A/c was shot down by flak. No further details.

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    17/18 - Wellington II. - 104 Sqn - Z8582 - Belly landed on return, DBR

    "RAF BomberLosses in the ME," vol 1 page 183.
    17/18 104 Sqn
    F/O. B. G. Johnston RCAF - Wellington I I - Z8582.

    104 Sqn ORB has -
    17/9/42
    F/O. B. G. Johnston , a/c Z8593.
    ORB confirms this.

    AB W1000 - Z999 has -
    Z8582 - 104
    Engine cut, bellylanded at Kom Hamada on return from Mersa Matruh, 2/8/42; DBR.
    ORB for 2/8/42 confirms this.
    And
    Z8593
    104 Sqn
    Engine cut on take off for Sfax; flew into rising ground, Gardabia Main, 7.4.43.
    There was a W5582 inon ops on the 17/18 but pilot was Sgt. E. W. Baldwin. This a/c was recorded in service after the 17/18 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Smart View Post
    27/28 - Boston III. - 24 SAAF - Z2288 - Flak, SOC on return
    This a/c was damaged by flak, its crew were -
    Lt. G. COHEN SAAF - KIA.
    F/Sgt. J. C. Van ECK , SAAF - Kia.
    Lt. J.H. ARANGIES, SAAF - Pow.
    Air/Sgt. I. KREEL, SAAF - Pow.
    Hello Alex,

    There are some discrepancies, as 24 Sqn SAAF orb lists
    Boston AL785 as lost on ops. 27.9.42. with the crew:
    Lieut. Cohen, Pilot
    Lieut. Arangies, Observer
    A/Sgt. van Eck, Air Gunner
    A/Sgt. Kreel, Air Gunner
    That crew flew on Boston 'S'.
    The other 24 Sqn's Bostons attacked LG.13 ('V' - Spencer, 'X' - Nel, 'Z' - Reid, 'P' - Collins)
    and LG.101 ('W' - Hammond, 'A' - Groenwald, 'T' - Jordan).

    Next day (28.9.42) one of these (seems to be Z2279/P piloted by Spencer) was hit and belly-landed.
    Orb only quotes: "One of our aircraft was badly holed by A.A."

    Zoran

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