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    Hi, Can anyone shed any light as to why this Flight, which was lost, according to Henke, (Many thanks to his research) why was there a mixture of different squadrons on this flight and could anyone tell me what their mission was when they were lost. I am researching David Woodbine Parish, whose brother John Neville Woodbine Parish died the previous year whilst with H.M.S. Heron. Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve. Their father Francis Woodbine Parish died in 1921 after being wounded in WW1. They were connected to the Gladstone Family in Hawarden Flintshire.

    RankSort by Rank Name, Number, Trade & DetailsSort by Last Name DateCurrently Sorted by Date UnitSort by Unit CountrySort by Country Cemetery/Memorial & Loc Ref
    Pilot Officer William DUNCAN (115561) Wireless Op Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 236 Sqdn AIR27 Libya Tobruk War CemeteryRef : 2. D. 31.
    Sergeant Justyn Stuart GRABHAM (976771) Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 21 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 3, Column 2.
    Pilot Officer David Francis Woodbine PARISH (105172) Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 236 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 3, Column 1.
    Sergeant John Reid STRATHDEE (987881) Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 248 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 4, Column 2.
    Sergeant John Henry STUBBS (406374) Blenheim IV Z9823 RAAF 1942-02-11 21 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 5, Column 2.
    Sergeant Peter TYAS (1265240) Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 21 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 4, Column 2.
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    Source Henk Welting's Database

    Any help would be appreciated to tell their story correctly. Kind regards, Mavis Williams.

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    Mavis

    I think is possible the crews of 3 different aircraft lost on same day aire being confused here

    But 6 is way way to many for a single Blenheim


    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/02253.php

    http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthrea...mode_threaded/

    " Z7308 & Z9725 of 21 Squadron off the Island of Filfla, Malta 6 February 1942 of 21 Squadron (there was also a third aircraft shot down at the same time Z9823 same Squadron)."


    Looks like this is part of one crew

    Sgt J.H Stubbs (RAAF) or Flg Off D F W Parish - pilot

    Sgt J.S Grabham - Observer

    Sgt P. Tyas - W.OP/AG

    It will need sorting not helped by the ORB for Feb 1942 apparently missing


    Paul
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    Stubbs Casualty File provides the crew Z9823

    https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear...msListing.aspx

    406374 Sergeant STUBBS, John Henry
    Source:
    AWM 237 (65) NAA : A705, 163/163/306 Commonwealth War Graves records
    Aircraft Type: Blenheim
    Serial number: Z9823
    Radio call sign:
    Unit: 21 Sqn RAF
    Summary:
    On the 11th February 1942, Blenheim Z9823 was one of four aircraft which took off from
    RAF Station Luqa, Malta, to carry out a shipping sweep of Kerkenna Islands, Tunisia. On
    returning to base, the gunner of the leading aircraft received by W/T the stand off signal
    “Air Raid in progress”. The formation circled a point 50 miles south of Malta for 15
    minutes, during which no more stand off signals were received.
    The Gunner then wirelessed for instructions. The reply was in the form of a QDM, when
    the formation was attacked by enemy fighters, and Z9823 shot down into the sea. A
    search was later conducted but no survivors were found.
    Crew:
    RAAF 406374 Sgt J H Stubbs, Captain (Pilot)
    RAF Sgt P Tyas, (Observer)
    RAF Sgt J S Grabham, (Wireless Air Gunner)
    The missing crew have no known grave. Their names are commemorated on the Malta
    Memorial, Malta. The Memorial is situated in the area of Floriana and is easily seen by
    the Golden Eagle which surmounts the column. It stands outside the entrance to Valletta.


    http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads...2.18267/page-5

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmcmillan View Post
    Mavis

    I think is possible the crews of 3 different aircraft lost on same day aire being confused here

    But 6 is way way to many for a single Blenheim


    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/02253.php

    http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthrea...mode_threaded/

    " Z7308 & Z9725 of 21 Squadron off the Island of Filfla, Malta 6 February 1942 of 21 Squadron (there was also a third aircraft shot down at the same time Z9823 same Squadron)."


    Looks like this is part of one crew
    Sgt J.H Stubbs (RAAF) or Flg Off D F W Parish - pilot

    Sgt J.S Grabham - Observer

    Sgt P. Tyas - W.OP/AG

    It will need sorting not helped by the ORB for Feb 1942 apparently missing


    Paul
    Thanks for your reply, I have transcribed what I could see on the National Archives regarding 236 Squadron in January 1942:-

    1st Jan 1942 Beaufighter 1 (Airplane Type and No. partially obscured - C? 4793 )– would need to download to get all details) P/O PARISH A/A, and Sgt. KENT- Escort. Up - 09.27, Down – 12.34, Comple??? Escort to CONFLICT I, without incident, ?/?, receiving signal from vessel thanks for Escort.

    7th Jan 1942 C 4793 P/O PARRISH A/A and Sgt. DUNCAN, Escort– Up 12.35 Down 16.04 – Met and escorted CONFLICT II and IV, without incident.

    8th Jan1942 F4730 P/O PARISH A/A and Sgt. DUNCAN Escort - Up 13.55 Down 17.01- Escort to Fishing vessels off S. Ireland, carried out without incident.

    9th Jan 1942 O 4793? P/O PARISH Fishery Patrol and Sgt. DUNCAN - Up ??.?3 Down 16.22 Fishery Protection Patrol completed without incident.

    10th Jan 1942 Y 4795 P/O PARRISH A/A and Sgt. DUNCAN Escort – Up 09.5? Down 13.15 Met and escported ???? AIR LINER from Chivenor without incident.

    13th Jan 1942 Beaufighter ? O.???? P/O PARRISH A/A and Sgt. DUNCAN Escort Up 09.46 Down 11.2 Escorted in ?C. 3 AIR LINER until ???? clouds completely obscured the above making necessary for a/c to return to base.

    20th Jan 1942 H. 48?? P/O PARRISH A/A and Sgt. ANDERSON Escort – Up ??.4? Down 1?.?? Met and escorted TINCTURE, while minesweeping off S. IRELAND, without incident.

    From 11?? (Watermark covered part) Hrs. Squadron ceased to be operational due to all aircraft being posted overseas.
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/D8395988
    Squadron Number: 236 Records of Events: Y
    Reference: AIR 27/1447/2
    Squadron Number: 236 Records of Events: Y
    Date: 1942 Jan 01 - 1942 Jan 31
    Former reference in its original department: IIM/E236/3

    Regards, Mavis

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    So looks like these 3 may have been lost on another aircraft (Aircrafts)




    Pilot Officer William DUNCAN (115561) Wireless Op Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 236 Sqdn AIR27 Libya Tobruk War CemeteryRef : 2. D. 31.
    Pilot Officer David Francis Woodbine PARISH (105172) Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 236 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 3, Column 1.
    Sergeant John Reid STRATHDEE (987881) Blenheim IV Z9823 RAF 1942-02-11 248 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 4, Column 2.

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    https://maltagc70.wordpress.com/cate...y-1942/page/2/

    "BLENHEIMS ATTACKED ON RETURN TO LUQA

    Blenheims of 21 Squadron at Luqa were ambushed today as they returned to base from a shipping sweep over the Gulf of Gabes. As the lead aircraft approached Malta, the radio operator was alerted that an air raid was in progress. The formation moved into a holding pattern to the south of Malta. After fifteen minutes, the leader radioed for further instructions. Almost immediately the Blenheims were swooped on by enemy fighters. One aircraft piloted by Sergeant John Stubbs was shot down into the sea. A search vessel found no survivors."

    I suspect other names for this date on Malta Memorial are ferry flight from UK ?

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    OPERATIONS REPORTS 11 FEBRUARY 1942

    AIR HQ Arrivals One Champion, two Wellingtons, four Hudsons from Gibraltar. Departures Two Wellingtons to LG 224; two Beauforts to 108 MU; eight Beaufighters to 108 MU (two reported missing).

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    I think this is part of the answer

    http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=40763

    T4879 and T4915 (Both technically OADU aircraft but with 248 and 236 Squadron crews respectively).

    Possibly 236 Sqn Crew


    Pilot Officer William DUNCAN (115561) Wireless Op RAF 1942-02-11 236 Sqdn AIR27 Libya Tobruk War CemeteryRef : 2. D. 31.
    Pilot Officer David Francis Woodbine PARISH (105172) RAF 1942-02-11 236 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta MemorialRef : Panel 3, Column 1.


    Possibly 248 Sqn Crew

    Flight Lieutenant Allin Beers PARKER (41610) RAF 1942-02-11 248 Sqdn AIR27 United Kingdom Runnymede MemorialRef : Panel 66.
    Sergeant John Reid STRATHDEE (987881) RAF 1942-02-11 248 Sqdn AIR27 Malta Malta Memorial

    So Poss Parish and Duncan (on T4915) and other 2 (248 Sqn on T4879)
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    This is David on the CWGC

    Commonwealth War Graves Commission
    Pilot Officer
    PARISH, DAVID FRANCIS WOODBINE
    Service Number 105172
    Died 11/02/1942
    Aged 27
    236 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve

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    That was a tour de force in research Paul, all in about two hours. Those ferry operations/ time period/ theatre of operations combined are a particularly difficult area to work on. Hats off to you Sir !

    Regards,

    Martin Gleeson.

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