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    Default Casualties 27-3-1941

    Can someone please look up the death registration locations of the following 2 Pilots


    P/O Colin LOGAN - 44178 - 222 Sqn

    Sgt Walter WILSON - 748084 - 222 Sqn.

    I expect that they are both in Norfolk, but 1 may be in Bristol

    The issue is that:

    Air Britain Serials:

    P8028: 222 - collided with Spitfire P7908 during practice dogfight and crashed, Easton, Norfolk. Pilot P/O LOGAN killed

    P7908: 145/485/401/154/58 OTU/2 TEU/13 Grp CF - SOC 25-5-1945.


    I also have

    P8028 pres. collided with P7857 of 222 Sqn but also reported as 2 FPP, Engine failure, Force-landed hit building Willsbridge near Bristol. Pilot Sgt WILSON killed

    P7857: 2FPP engine failed hit house force-landed Willsbridge nearr Bristol 8-3-42 SOC 7-4-42

    If anyone could give me the correct 2 Spitfires in the collison - Great!

    Many Thanks

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    Hello Paul
    Both deaths were registered at 'Norwich Outer'.
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    So they were both involved in the Collision then (now all we need o work out is what 2 Spitfires were involved) - Logan was ex BoB has anyone access to Wynn to see what it says about his fate?

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    Wynn merely states that he was killed on the 27th whilst serving with 222. No details of aircraft or cause

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    I have found a 'Spring 1941' Reference to P7908 with 485 NZ Sqn coded as OU-M and a reference to it with 58 Operational Training Unit

    Which supports the P7908: 145/485/401/154/58 OTU/2 TEU/13 Grp CF - SOC 25-5-1945. lineage

    So unless the collision resulted in the death of the pilot, but not the write off of the aircraft I can't see how it can be P7908.


    P7857 was definiately with 222 Sqn at the time (arrived 9-3-41) so it could have been the aircraft involved -Assuming pilot died in forcelanding - and then it was repaired and thats why it was involved in forcelanding by a Ferry Pilot on 8-3-42 - But only pure speculation!

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    John Foreham has Logan on P8028 and Wilson on P7857 - which makes me wonder if it crashlanded

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    Hi,
    Wynn has P/O. Colin Wynn 44178.
    Killed on March 27th 1941 as a pilot officer with 222Sqn aged 29.
    Logan is buried in Brookwood Military Cemetery, Woking.

    Air Brit P1000- R9999 has

    P8028
    222
    Collided with Spitfire P7908 during practice dogfight and crashed, Easton, Norfolk 27.3.41.

    and for P7908

    P7908
    145/485/401/154/58 OTU/2 TEU/13 Gp CF SoC 25.5.45.

    But for interest it shows that P7909 was with 222 Sqn and then Coltishall and 266, Converted at some time to a Mk. Va, was later sent to the Royal Navy in Sept 42.

    Just wonder if the a/c in collision could have been P7909 and not P7908 ?

    As for P7857, Air Brit has 222/2FP - Hit house in forced landing Wilsbridge, Bristol 8.3.42.
    There is No mention of a collision except with a house and the year is 42 not 41. And no further info with regards to the history of P8028 after 27.3.41's collision. Nore connection with P7857 Except the date SoC as 7-4 but which year(s) ?

    Morgan & Shacklady "Spitfire the History" has the following -

    P7857
    38 MU 2-2-41/ 222S 9-3/ 2FPP e/fld hit house f/ld Wilsbridge nr Brostol 8-3-42/ SoC 7-4.

    P7908
    37 MU 2-2-41/ 145S 23-2/ CAC Ops 28-3/ 485S 1-6/ 401S 9-9/ 154S 10-12/ 58 OTU 29-5-42/ 2TEU 2-12-43/ 13Grp Com Flt 14-7-44/ SoC 25-5045.

    P7909
    37 MU 22-2-41/ 222S 13-3/ 266S 14-7/ FACE 14-9/ Sal Con to FVa M45 RNDA 4-9-42/ SoC 6-2-45.

    P8028
    72 MU 28-2-41/ 222S 13-3/ FACE 27-3/ SoC 7-4.

    Could it be that it was P7909 that was in collision with P8028 and that P7909 survived the collision only to be involved in another incident on 14-9 then to be repaired and converted to an FVa and sent to the RN ?

    Alex
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    Bring this again to notice. Is it possible that Sgt WILSON crashlanded P7909, died of wounds sustained in the crash, and aircraft repairable ?
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    Henk

    I am on holiday at the moment and away from my points of reference . but Alex suggested P7909 -would make a lot of sence
    Alex, thanks or your thoughts on this
    Paul

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    Sorry I'm a bit late with this one but I'm now backtracking through the last three weeks worth.

    The two Spitfires involved both crashed, the incident taking place at 1530 hours on 27 Mar 1941. Norfolk CD records state one crashed at Church Road Marlingford, the other about 1 mile away at Colton Wood.

    There is also an interesting reference to an 'empty' parachute seen drifting towards the coast over North Walsham, shortly after this crash. It is easy to speculate, but it appears that either one of the Spitfires disintegrated in the air and the parachute opened, or one of the two pilots involved baled out but fell from his parachute harness.

    Hope this helps.

    BC

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