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    Can anyone find any record of an He 111 with V-1 bomb, November 4, 1944, that was possibly shot down in the bomber stream of a nighttime operation, November 4, 1944. I have a report that a F/O Marshall DFM DFC, might have done so, although he may have held a higher rank at the time. Unit and aircraft unknown. This is hearsay, and I am looking for confirmation.

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    I see that a F/L A.E. Marshall was with 25 Squadron. He was not in action that evening. According to Wikipedia, he was killed in action November 27, 1944. He is credited with 19 victories. I'm looking through the 25 ORB for more info. No record of him operational on November 4, 1944.

    Edit: OK: The 25 Squadron ORB for November 27, 1944: "Towards the end of the afternoon, we witnessed a tragic accident. F/L A.E. Marshall DFC DFM (Pilot 47124) and his navigator F/O C.A. Allen (145496) having completed their "NFT" were carrying out a "Beat-up." They dived over B Flight at great speed and pulled up sharply. Immediately, vapour trails appeared at the wingtips and then there was a loud bang and we saw that both wings had broken off outboard of the engines. The remainder of the aircraft continued to climb under great impetus to about 1500 feet where it turned over and [illegible: crashed] on the ground and exploded. Both pilot and navigator were killed."

    This is new information to me. Dad said he served with this gentleman during his time at Fairoaks. I have a photo of him (taken by dad and in his photo album) with the DFC ribbon on his uniform as well as another ribbon that I cannot identify but might be the DFM.

    Jim
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    Thanks John. I would be interested to know where it was shot down, relative to the bomber stream.

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    Hi Jim,

    According to Air-Launched Doodlebugs by Peter J C Smith. On the night of 4/5 November 1944, KG 53 took off with 24 Heinkels with V-1 and launched 23 V-1 between 19.06 and 19.42. One aircraft was shot down before the launch by Beaufighter V8565 ZQ-F flown by S/L J Howard-Williams and F/O F J MacRae after one long burst at a Heinekel carrying a V-1 which crashed into the sea.

    The German crew was;

    Hptm Heinz Zollverein.
    Oberfeldwebel Karl Christmann
    Feldwebel Erich Schneider
    Oberfeldwebel Fritz Marhoun
    Feldwebel Leonhard

    There were no survivors.

    Two other Heinkels were lost in accidents.

    I hope that helps,

    Cheers,

    John.
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    Hi Jim,

    According to ‘Aces High’ by Christopher Shore and Clive Williams, they shot down the He111, 40 miles east of Southwold. By the way it should have read A E Marshall (Alfred Ernest). I hope that helps.

    Cheers,

    John.

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    Thanks John. That certainly might fit. Dad was operational that night to Bochum. He bombed at 1943 hrs. Assuming the flight plan of 160 IAS plus a tail wind from the west (275o from Bomber Command night raid report) I back calculate he would have crossed the Dutch Coast at The Hague at approximately 1904 and passed Orfordness 33 minutes earlier or approximately 1830 hrs. Dad said there was an explosion right in the middle of the bomber stream that he believe was an He111 carrying a doodlebug. Dad had heard that Marshall was responsible but he was working from memory. Certainly 25 squadron did shoot down V-1's and He.111's during the month of November, 1944.

    Fascinating investigating this stuff!

    Edit: note this is a real guesstimate. I assumed the entire tailwind push for the trip east. The reality would be less, so assume slightly earlier times reaching La Hague and Orfordness.

    Jim
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    Alfred Ernest Marshall
    b. Q1 1915 Reg Portsea 2b 871 (MMS Godden)
    1931(?) Enlisted (565286) as a/c Apprentice Entry 23(?) Halton.
    6 Jun 1941 DFM - 565286 Sergeant Alfred Ernest MARSHALL, No. 73 Squadron. This airman has displayed outstanding skill, courage and devotion to duty whilst engaged on active operations against the enemy. He has personally destroyed 15 enemy aircraft. On a recent occasion he took off to engage the enemy whilst a fierce ground attack was being made against the aerodrome.
    12 Aug 1941 565286 Sgt Alfred Ernest MARSHALL, DFM Cmd Plt Off(p) RAFVR GD (47124).
    12 Aug 1942 Prom Fg Off.
    6 Oct 1942 DFC (A/Flt Lt)
    12 Aug 1943 Prom Flt Lt
    d. 27 Nov 1944 Reg Cambridge 3b 624
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    MARSHALL, Alfred Ernest, A/F/L, DFM (47124, Royal Air Force) - No.250 Squadron - Distinguished Flying Cross - awarded as per London Gazette dated 6 October 1942. Following text from Flight, 12 November 1942; relevant Air Ministry Bulletin may have more.

    "This officer, who was awarded the Distinguished Flying Medal in May 1941, took part in the fighting in France and subsequently in the Battle of Britain. In the Western Desert he has led his flight, and often the squadron, with great gallantry and success. Flight Lieutenant Marshall has participated in the majority of the recent spectacular operations of his wing, and has destroyed 15 enemy aircraft."

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    John: dad (RCAF) served with 419 Squadron from September 1944 - April 1945, screened after his last operation March 25, 1945 to Hannover. Prior to that he was a flying instructor and then “instructed instructors how to instruct” prior to moving on to do training for operational service.

    Not sure what you mean by mustering, but perhaps that explains what you are asking. He did his training as a pilot in 1941, prior to going overseas.

    Jim

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    Hi Jim,

    Just out of curiosity what Sqn was your dad with and what was his mustering?

    Cheers,

    John.

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