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    Default Sgt AJP Walton, plane crash near Kenley 5 July 1942

    Hello everyone. This is my first post. I recently became very interested in family history. My great uncle was Sgt (Pilot) Alexander James Proctor Walton, service number 1385958, RAF Volunteer Reserve. All of the sources I have found say that he died on 5 July 1942 in an air crash near Kenley while on active service. However, I can find no record of any plane crash near Kenley on that date. He was a member of the 611 Squadron, which should have been stationed at RAF Kenley at the time. I would appreciate any information you all could share.

    Some links:
    https://kingscollections.org/warmemo...-james-proctor
    https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/c...james-proctor/
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...proctor-walton

    Thank you, in advance.
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    To expand a little on Ross' reply (which draws on the highly useful casualty db of this site), by drawing on a couple of other sources to hand:

    Miles Magister I L8130
    One of a batch of 214 aircraft constructed by Phillips and Powis Ltd of Woodley under Contract 706823/37, delivered to the RAF between March and October 1938.
    First served with the Station Flight, RAF Debden (no date), then to 611 Squadron (no date).
    The aircraft "stalled during low aerobatics and crashed Woldingham, Surrey 5 July 1942"
    Source: J Halley RAF Aircraft L1000-N9999 (Air Britain 1993)

    Malcolm's equally useful Air of Authority Casualty db entry confirms broadly, that
    "He was killed whilst flying in Magister I, L8130 of No 611 Sqn, which flew into the ground at Woldingham in Surrey."
    Source: www.rafweb.org Members area/Casualties - 3 - 5 July 1942

    Woldingham is within four miles or so of Kenley aerodrome.

    Some more information lies in the 611 Squadron Operations Record Book at the UK National Archives, where a preview can be checked on line or downloaded for a small fee.

    See AIR 27/2110/37 Summary of Events July 1942
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/D8416522
    This records the death of Walton and his passenger (Wireless Mechanic W/O VCM Wheeler 566827), in starkly condemnatory terms which may be distressing.

    and AIR27/2110/38 Record of Events July 1942
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/D8416523
    The Squadron record of operational sorties for that day.
    Includes an early morning Rhubarb patrol by Sgt Walton, in Spitfire BM366 (which served with four Squadrons between 1942 and January 1945, when it was at last struck off RAF charge).
    See Halley RAF Aircraft BA100-BZ999 (Air Britain 1985). (Rhubarb: an offensive patrol over enemy territory aiming to attack targets of opportunity/draw up opposition).

    Don Clark
    www.211squadron.org

    Postscript
    If you've not done so, you may wish to apply for a copy of his RAF Record of Service which though brief and recorded in service acronyms can be of interest.
    There are a number of conditions you'll need to follow and the fee is 30 pounds: see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-...vice-personnel

    While some casualty records have been transferred to UK National Archives, it's not a collection I'm across and a search on Walton 1385958 did not find a record for him on my search at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ .
    It is also possible to apply for a copy of the Casualty File as explained here - for another 30 pounds:
    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-...casualty-files.
    Someone else here may be able to advise you better on these records.
    Last edited by Don Clark; 5th March 2020 at 06:51.
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    The AIR 81 Casualty files for July 1942 haven't been transferred yet. I think they've only done up to around early April 1942. It's probably worth waiting for the next tranche to be released it may be in that one, or the one after.

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    Hello,

    A little more on Walton's unfortunate passenger:

    In January 1934, 65 young hopefuls arrived at RAF Cranwell as 6M12/6J12 (29th) Entry to train as Wireless Operator Mechanics (6M12) or Instrument Makers (6J12). During their training they gained 4 from Senior Entries, 4 ceased training, while 3 of their number were re-classed to later Entries, leaving 62 to pass out in December 1936.

    One of the 6M12's, was:

    Number: 566827
    Surname: Wheeler
    Initials: W H [sic]
    Known As -
    Remarks: Class A.

    Col.

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    Col,
    I have 566827 as being in the Block 566707-566956, RAF Aircraft Apprentices, Entry 29, Started 15 Jan 1934 at Halton. Simply in the interests of accuracy, where is the precise list of Numbers/Names, Dates/Times, and Places, for the various Apprentices and/or Boy Entrants? It is a very valuable tool with which to locate those with Numbers in those Blocks - who eventually became aircrew - in terms of their Age on Entry, and thus, (hopefully!) identify them in the various BMD lists!
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    Hello

    Victor Cecil Mayo Wheeler's death was reported in the Rugby Advertiser of July 10th 1942. The article relates that he was an Old Laurentian (Lawrence Sheriff School), and passed the entrance scholarship to join the R.A.F., receiving his training at Cranwell and at other stations in the UK. He was posted to Iraq in about 1936, remaining there until late 1941. He married in December 1941, and was then attached to fighter squadrons and posted in various parts of the country once again.
    He was a cricketer and rugby player at School, and played football with the R.A.F. in Iraq. His father, Captain H. J. Wheeler, M.C., joined the army in 1911, and was one of the first to land in France in 1914, serving throughout the Great War, being Mentioned in Despatches and wounded four times, before being invalided out in 1921.

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    Thank you, everyone, for your quick reply and fantastic information. Don, it is a little distressing to hear the cause of the crash, and to learn that he had a passenger.

    This has been most helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resmoroh View Post
    Col,
    I have 566827 as being in the Block 566707-566956, RAF Aircraft Apprentices, Entry 29, Started 15 Jan 1934 at Halton. Simply in the interests of accuracy, where is the precise list of Numbers/Names, Dates/Times, and Places, for the various Apprentices and/or Boy Entrants? It is a very valuable tool with which to locate those with Numbers in those Blocks - who eventually became aircrew - in terms of their Age on Entry, and thus, (hopefully!) identify them in the various BMD lists!
    TIA
    Peter Davies
    Hello,

    A couple of sites you might find useful.

    https://lroberts.home.xs4all.nl/cranwell/index.html (Go to index to Nominal Roll)

    https://www.rafcaa.org.uk

    NB. Both sites haven't been updated for some time, and they contain many errors - use with caution.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 5th March 2020 at 22:50.

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