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    Morning all,

    602 ORB states two Spitfire accident on 8 September 39. K9965 with Sgt Bryden killed and another Spitfire flown by Sgt A. McDowall. This later Spitfire is said to be a write-off in the ORB but I have some doubts having found nothing on that.

    Any detials on McDowall's accident?

    Thanks and stay safe at home!!

    Phil

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    Phil

    In "Glasgow's Own" by Dugald Cameron has only "Sgt Bryden killed on first night flight in Spitfire I K9965." Nothing about McDowall

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    Sgt A McDowall is

    Andrew McDowall 802602

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    Hi Phil,

    Having looked at the F.78s and the Air-Britain 'AEROMILITARIA' Spitfire I series some time ago about these accidents I came to the belief that McDowall's Spitfire was K9972. After 602 Squadron it was taken on charge by 1 CRU/Morris Motors on 23 September 1939 for repair and was flown into 1941. The lag in time was not unusual in 1939 based on reviewing other accidents. There is no F.1180 Aircraft Accident Card for McDowall's aircraft unfortunately. I have not found any contemporary document yet that proves beyond doubt it was K9972, but that Spitfire seems likely to have been the one flown by McDowall that night based on the above.
    If anybody can add to this it would be great.

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    Martin Gleeson.

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    Gents

    I have wondered if it was K9966,which, according to K File and The History, was involved in a crash landing after damaging the u/c on take off. The date given in both sources is 8th July 1939. It is possible there is a misreading of this date, it has happened before.

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    DaveW

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    While on the topic of 602 Sqn has K9968 ever been sorted?


    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...Spitfire-K9968

    https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=150440
    http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=28728

    PS I had wondered if it was the one involved in this incident :-)
    Paul

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    Dave,

    Certainly not K9966. It has its own F.1180 clearly dated 8 July 1939. The undercarriage collapsed during take off at Abbotsinch. The pilot was P/O A. W. Charrett who had only 3 hours experience on the Spitfire at the time. 602 Squadron had a lot of accidents with the Spitfire. Not all have a F.1180.

    Regards,

    Martin.

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    Paul,

    I think we have a definitive answer for the fate of K9968. It has a F.1180 dated 5 June 1939. The pilot held off too high landing at Church Fenton, the Spitfire stalled and landed heavily. The Aircraft Delivery Cards reel entry for K9968 notes the delivery to 602 Sqn. and after that just 'SOC 21 August 1939'.
    Who was the pilot I hear you ask ? It was none other than P/O A.W. Charrett, with 2 hours experience on Spitfires ! Best of all - but not for the unfortunate Charrett - was the line added in by a senior officer; "May be taken off instructor duties if he has another accident". Well, he did. See above !

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    Martin.

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    Thanks Martin

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