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    Default 1655 Flight (or 1655 Mosquito Flying Unit) 8 Group PFF

    Please can anybody tell me anything about 1655 and what they were up to in the winter of 1944 into early 1945.
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    Hello,

    The O.R.B. of this unit is in AIR 29/613 at Kew :

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-1892576&CATLN=7&Highlight=&accessmethod=4

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    thanks Joss

    do you know if it was a Mosquito specialist OTU or something similar ?

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    Hi Pete

    It was indeed a specialist Mosquito training unit.

    It correct designation was No 1655 Mosquito Training Unit it was reformed on 1 Jun 1943 (Finmere) in No 2 Group, was transferred to No 8 Group (Marham) on 1 Jul 1943 and moved to Warboys on 7 Mar 1944. It was absorbed in 16 OTU on 31 Dec 1944 at Uppe Heyford.

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    One thing 1655 MTU did was train Mosquito crews in the use of Oboe and they did this throughout 1944 & in early 1945. Oboe training was a six week course for pilots and navigators who were eventually sent on to 105 & 109 Squadrons for Oboe marking duties, most were on their second tour.
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    Thanks for your help Gents

    In this instance the next posting was 128 Squadron presumably also for OBOE marking duties as it was with 8 Group.

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    I don't think that Oboe training was the only thing that went on at 1655 MTU and if the person you are researching was posted out to 128 Squadron, he wasn't trained on Oboe. 109 Squadron and later 105 Squadron were the only RAF squadrons equipped with Oboe. There were some instances where 109 and 105 crews flew in Oboe equipped Lancasters from other squadrons and took over for the regular pilot and navigator for the 10 minute target run down the Oboe beam, but they were fairly rare.
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    At 14.45 7th Jan. 1944 a Mosquito DZ356 from 1655 MTU took off from RAF Marham, Norfolk and there was a "catastrophic failure of the engine and the aircraft exploded" over Langstone Court, llangarron, It says Llangarrow in the Aus. Nat Archives) Herefordshire. The pilot was F/Lt Kenneth Frank Jolly RAFVR and the navigator was F/O Walter Dinnathorne Langworthy RAAF he was from Hobart Tasmania he had trasnferred from 97squadron. I have researched them extensively as I live in Llangarron and there is a plaque to them in our local church. Bill Webb

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    Hello,

    I've only copied 5 pages from that ORB (my initial interest was in an HCU which is in the same volume), 2 pages in November 1943, 2 in December 1943 and one in January 1944.

    The training is not detailed in those pages (there might be a complete explanation somewhere). The crews were posted to No. 105, 109, 139, 627 Squadrons (the men I was interested in), and No. 1409 flight.

    The "trainees" were all experienced crews who had already completed a tour.

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    Regardless of whether or not they ended up doing Oboe marking or conventional Pathfinder marking, the Pilots at 1655 MTU had to learn how to fly a Mosquito while the Navigators were being taught Pathfinder navigation & marking techiques.
    I have a copy of the syllabus of exercises done at 1655 MTU from the logbook of a Pilot, F/L Eric Arnott, DFC & Bar.
    "1) Familiarisation 2) Taxying 3) Stalling 4) Single engine flying 5) Steep turns 6) Circuits 7) Single engine feathered landing 8) Single engine un-feathered landing 9) Flapless landing & take off 10) Overshoot proceedure 11) I.F. & bad weather circuits 12) Action in the event of a fire 13) Night dual 14) Night solo"

    After that they would be formed into crews in the usual way with Navigators who had been learning what they had to do in a Mosquito, along with Pathfinder navigation, and began flying as a crew. They then did normal flight training, cross country flights, ops exercises, night flight tests and bombing exercises.
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