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    Default Re: Sharing Resources during the National Archives Shutdowns

    Hello, I'm new here too researching a Lancaster Pilot relative and his crew (see sig).

    Is there a ORB for 1667 HCU (RAF Faldingworth) for late 1943 (August-November)? I know he was there until 19/11/1943. I know he trained in Canada. Any ideas how to fill in the gaps without his service record?

    I have some 626, 103 and 12 Sqd ORB's.

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    Ancestor 626 Sqd Pilot F/S Stewart Jacques 1432964 PoW 2133 Shotup DV171 Shotdown JB595 15/1/44 RIP-1993. His crew: Nav Sgt G C Farran 1512473 injured Branuschweig returned Letitia; F/E Sgt Alfred Arthur Phillips 1583796 RIP Berlin; B/A Sgt J G Morton 1335893 PoW 1619 ?; W/O Sgt Frank Seddon 1536326 PoW 1469 ?; M/U Sgt John Edward Holford 3050007 PoW 1465 RIP-26/3/2013; R/G Sgt Daniel Conolly O'Donnell 1061941 injured Branuschweig returned Letitia; also M/U to 3/1/1943 Sgt A A Fletcher 1573487 ?

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    Hi Andrew

    I have the 1667 HCU ORB (F540) but it is very sparse with simple comments such as 'Course No 17 Commenced' and 'Course No 17 Completed'. There are no names shown for the members of each course, although these may be containing in the Appendices, which I don't have at present.

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    Malcolm,
    Thanks for the reply. I know F/S S Jacques arrived at RAF Wickenby (in ORB) on 19th November 1943 from 1667 along with most of his crew. So if you can match a course number and date with that and let me know the start date and course number that may be clue to something!

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    Ancestor 626 Sqd Pilot F/S Stewart Jacques 1432964 PoW 2133 Shotup DV171 Shotdown JB595 15/1/44 RIP-1993. His crew: Nav Sgt G C Farran 1512473 injured Branuschweig returned Letitia; F/E Sgt Alfred Arthur Phillips 1583796 RIP Berlin; B/A Sgt J G Morton 1335893 PoW 1619 ?; W/O Sgt Frank Seddon 1536326 PoW 1469 ?; M/U Sgt John Edward Holford 3050007 PoW 1465 RIP-26/3/2013; R/G Sgt Daniel Conolly O'Donnell 1061941 injured Branuschweig returned Letitia; also M/U to 3/1/1943 Sgt A A Fletcher 1573487 ?

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    Hi Andrew

    All mention of courses are shown below: -

    No 1 - 4 crews completed on 15 Jul 1943 to 12 Sqn
    No 1 - 1 crew completed on 18 Jul 1943 to 100 Sqn
    No 1 - 1 crew completed on 18 Jul 1943 to 103 Sqn
    No 2 - commenced 1 Jul 1943
    No 3 - commenced on 11 Jul 1943
    No 4 - commenced on 21 Jul 1943
    No 2 - completed on 5 Aug 1943, 2 crews to 103 Sqn, 4 crews to 100 Sqn
    No 1 - 5 crews completed on 6 Aug 1943 to 103 Sqn
    No 8 - commenced on 11 Aug 1943
    No 11 - commenced on 23 Aug 1943
    No 3 - 6 crews completed conversion training, posted to Lancaster Pool, Hemswell
    No 5 - completed on 5 Sep 1943
    No 8 - completed on 16 Sep 1945
    No 14 - commenced on 5 Sep 1943*, completed on 8 Nov 1943
    No 20 - Commenced on 3 Oct 1943*
    No 23 - commenced 10 Oct 1943
    No 26 - Commenced on 30 Oct 1943
    No 32 - commenced on 15 Nov 1943, completed on 26 Jan 1944
    No 35 - commenced on 23 Nov 1943*, completed on 26 Jan 1944
    No 17 - completed on 22 Nov 1943
    No 38 - commenced on 9 Dec 1943
    No 44 - commenced on 21 Dec 1943
    No 56 - commenced on 30 Jan 1944
    No 59 - commenced on 9 Feb 1944
    No 62 - commenced on 22 Feb 1944

    It would seem that the course numbers were not set by 1667 HCU as they don't run in sequence and as some have completion dates but no commencement date and vice versa, its likely some crews began training with a different HCU within the Base, but 1656, 1662 and 11 Base ORBs are even less helpful. I have also checked the Faldingworth ORB and found a little more detail missing from the HCU ORBs

    *Faldingwoth ORB

    I have given more than you needed to give you an idea of the problems faced.

    I suspect the most likely course for your crew would be No 14, followed by a spot of leave before reporting to Wickenby.

    Malcolm

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    Malcolm,
    I see you have done a lot of work, thank-you. I agree with your analysis.

    Jacques, Farran, Phillips, Morton and O'Donnell all arrived from 1667 at 626 on the same day 19/11/43.
    Fletcher arrived from 1667 on 21/11/43 was replaced later by Holford who arrived on 3/1/44 from 138 Sqd.
    New find * Morton arrived from 1667 on 19/12/43 - this may explain why the first raid was not until 29/12/43.

    Is there any way of tracing where a pilot may have trained in Canada?
    I have no LB or SR.

    Thanks again for your valuable help.
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    Ancestor 626 Sqd Pilot F/S Stewart Jacques 1432964 PoW 2133 Shotup DV171 Shotdown JB595 15/1/44 RIP-1993. His crew: Nav Sgt G C Farran 1512473 injured Branuschweig returned Letitia; F/E Sgt Alfred Arthur Phillips 1583796 RIP Berlin; B/A Sgt J G Morton 1335893 PoW 1619 ?; W/O Sgt Frank Seddon 1536326 PoW 1469 ?; M/U Sgt John Edward Holford 3050007 PoW 1465 RIP-26/3/2013; R/G Sgt Daniel Conolly O'Donnell 1061941 injured Branuschweig returned Letitia; also M/U to 3/1/1943 Sgt A A Fletcher 1573487 ?

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    I am looking at any ORB pages of the following two units - can anyone check if they have any references to indian pilots training in them.

    7 (P) AFU - Sept 43-Feb 44
    53 OTU - Feb 44 - May 44

    Thanks in advance..

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    Hi Jagan

    Neither F540s give details of students although the 53 OTU one does give course statistics.

    Malcolm

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    Default Re: Sharing Resources during the National Archives Shutdowns

    Hello,

    I'm trying to locate ORBs for the following units as they are not digitized at National Archives:

    24 OTU Feb and Mar 44
    10 OTU Apr and May 44
    1652 HCU Jul and Aug 44

    Thank you.
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    Mike,

    I have the No. 1652 HCU ORB (AIR29/612) but it stops at the end of February 1944.

    I've been told that it continues in the Marston Moor Station ORB, which I don't have.

    Regards,

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    Thanks Dave,

    I had noticed the Feb 44 end date...and was curious.

    I have the Marston Moor ORB with limited information on 1652 HCU. Let me know if you’d like Jun/Jul/Aug 44.

    Mike

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