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    Pilot Officer William K Lock, any info on him please. I have just found his initials while at RAF Helensburgh 1944

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    Default Re: Pilot Officer William K Lock

    There was no P/O William K Lock in the RAF in 1944

    Two possibilities are

    William Herbert Lock 156133 commissioned wef 15/07/1943
    William Gordon Lock 159548 commissioned wef 21/11/1943

    These are the only two in RAF at the time

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    William Herbert Lock (1203420 Cmd (156133)) would be one I would put your money on! Hand-written "K" and "H" can easily be confused depending on which sort of cursive writing was taught at what school and at what period in the past!
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    it will be Herbert then and any info appreciated.thank you

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    Robin/Chris,

    I’m afraid I can’t make this one fit together! Can somebody check my findings very carefully. Can’t chase his BMDs unless we know his middle Forename!

    William Herbert Lock
    Mid Oct 1940 William Herbert/Robert Lock Enlists 1203420 in Block 1150001-1250000 RAFVR Cardington 01-Apr-40 to 31-Mar-41
    15 Jul 1943 1203420 Sgt William Herbert Lock Cmd Plt Off(p) RAFVR GD (156133). However 1203420 is a William Robert Lock TNA AIR 78/98/23 I 3 R4C2.
    15 Jan 1944 W H Lock (156133) Prom Fg Off.
    1 Jan 1945 Plt Off W H Lock (156133) Award MiD.
    15 Jul 1945 Fg Off W H Lock (156133) Prom Flt Lt.

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    Default Re: Pilot Officer William K Lock

    Agree with your findings, Resmoroh.

    The AIR 78/98/23 Airman Index List slip shows
    Lock William Robert 1203420

    First London Gazette entry, notice of Commission, shows only
    1203420 William Herbert LOCK (156133): no correction in later issues.
    All other LG entries as W H Lock (156133)

    Checked Air Force List and found
    156133 Lock WH (Jan 1944, July 1945)

    No Lock nor Locke WR or William Robert in London Gazette or Air Force List
    As to original posit of a WK Lock, possibly a typo (2 keys apart) or handwriting (K for H not impossible) and confirm, no WK Lock or Locke in Gazette or AFL or AIR 78/23

    All entries in all three sources match on Service no/s and First and surname.
    Conclusion: a rare event but AIR 78 Index slip appears to be in error for middle name.
    Leaving William Herbert Lock apparently the only solution.

    A notable instance. Gazette errors and corrections are not unusual: have never come across an AIR 78 error before.
    Cannot think of any other explanation.
    May have made for a bit of a paper storm at some point in Records.



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    Last edited by Don Clark; 26th April 2020 at 20:16. Reason: clarity
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    Who, if anybody, needs to know about this problem? And how can they be contacted?
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    Default Re: Pilot Officer William K Lock

    This one error suggests that others may be present, albeit apparently rarely.

    For what it's worth: the TNA's AIR 78 header page gives a brief
    Description of content: that already includes eg a brief caution about missing slips.

    All such pages allow for comments if an error is found with the Catalogue description.
    See the Let us know link further down the page, which opens a simple proforma for submission.
    Whether TNA may agree to a brief caution about possible occasional name errors is then up to them.

    The Feedback option, even further down the page, seems less relevant to the problem at hand.

    The problem is not so much how many cases, but the likelihood of finding them.
    However many the few errors are, only those airmen later commissioned can be resolved by the London Gazette style.
    The majority by far remained as airmen: their few cases seem much less likely to be resolvable.

    The fortune of war: one more form of original source error to note for future reference.
    With some few(?) cases, waiting to catch the eye of the alert (my hat off to you, Resmoroh)
    or to trip up the weary or unwary.

    I'm off to mow the grass, on what looks to be the last warm sunny afternoon of Autumn.
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    Last edited by Don Clark; 28th April 2020 at 04:57.
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    thanks for the latest feedback on Lock. I am interested in him for my research tracing the histories of test pilots at RAF Helensburgh during WW2. I have him as Pilot Officer Lock testing Catalina JX274 during May 44 doing de-icing tests of wings by engine exhaust. Most of the pilots at Helensburgh had interesting flying careers but some remain elusive, i.e. Flt Fox not helped by hand written flying notes and lack of initials. A good example is Flt Lt Sismey, who was the famous Australian cricketer. I write articles for the Helensburgh Heritage Trust charity, so your feedback is always appreciated. Flying Officer Callender is another chap I am chasing.

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    Default Re: Pilot Officer William K Lock

    Robin,

    Don't know if Helensburgh pilots went in to fly with operational squadrons but of the four Callenders listed in the CWGC database, Charles Francis Callender, lost in a Fortress in June 1943, might be a fit.

    Robert

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