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    Default Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    I'd like to firstly say there is a site on this but the problem is is that there's no information about this Carthew fellow I am talking about decides from a photo atleast. The plane he was aboard (EE138 "Easy") crashed on September 4th 1943 at roughly 2:24AM near Stadtil, Denmark. Any information will be much appreciated.

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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Tank, Hi,
    CWGC have him as Ewin Garth Carthew - this may have impeded your searches?
    The AE (Antipodean Experts) will - hopefully - be along shortly to give you what is known of this chap!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
    Meteorology is a science; good meteorology is an art!
    We might not know - but we might know who does!

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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    There is a viewable repatriation file on the Australian Archives site if you search for it under 407963. One of the results is the file for another one of the crew Cyril Augustine Walsh. i don't know how much information you have already, but if you have not seen this it may help.

    https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear...aspx?B=1082579

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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Presume you know he was the son of Thomas Edgar and Florence Ethel Carthew of Rendelsham, South Australia (CWGC website)

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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Hello,

    Re: my Post #10, and the subsequent movements of the three RAAF airmen after their arrival in Cape Town, on 3 October, 1942.

    All three airmen proceed to Transit Camp Retreat to await another convoy leaving Cape Town. They left T.C.Retreat on 19 October, 1942, proceeded to Cape Town and boarded the "Highland Brigade" for their on-going voyage to the UK. The "Highland Brigade" departed Cape Town on 20 October, 1942, in Convoy CF.7 (FREETOWN-LIVERPOOL) arriving at Freetown on 2 November. The vessel left Freetown on 4 November (in Convoy CF.7A [FREETOWN-LIVERPOOL]), and arrived safely at Belfast Lough on 16 November. The "Highland Brigade" departed Belfast Lough the same day and independently sailed for Avonmouth (UK), arriving on 18 November, 1942.

    Col
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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    Hello,

    Re: my Post #10, and the subsequent movements of the three RAAF airmen after their arrival in Cape Town, on 3 October, 1942.

    All three airmen proceed to Transit Camp Retreat to await another convoy leaving Cape Town. They left T.C.Retreat on 19 October, 1942, proceeded to Cape Town and boarded the "Highland Brigade" for their on-going voyage to the UK. The "Highland Brigade" departed Cape Town on 20 October, 1942, in Convoy CF.7 (FREETOWN-LIVERPOOL) arriving at Freetown on 2 November. The vessel left Freetown on 4 November (in Convoy CF.7A [FREETOWN-LIVERPOOL]), and arrived safely at Belfast Lough on 16 November. The "Highland Brigade" departed Belfast Lough the same day and independently sailed for Avonmouth (UK), arriving on 18 November, 1942.

    Col
    Hi
    Below confirms some of what you have posted, I understood that they were held over in the Transit Camp due to heavy activity by the German U Boats, the ship they changed to (Highland Brigade) had been carrying oranges and the Westernland I think then carried on but was attacked by a U Boat.

    Monday, 24 August 1942 At Sea Embarked at Sydney SS Westernland SMF Service Records
    Sunday, 4 October 1942 South Africa (Cape Town ) R.A.F. Imperial Forces Transit Camp SMF Service Records
    Monday, 19 October 1942 South Africa (Cape Town ) Ceased Transit Camp SMF Service Records
    Wednesday, 18 November 1942 UK Disembarked UK posted to RAAF PRC SMF Service Records

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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Hi,


    What about this website.


    http://www.ee138.net/carthew.html


    Regards

    Finn Buch

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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Quote Originally Posted by Argus View Post
    Hi,


    What about this website.


    http://www.ee138.net/carthew.html


    Regards

    Finn Buch
    Hello,

    Some substantial additions to the above site:

    267504 S/L Carl Richard KELAHER RAAF.

    Carl Richard Kelaher was among 43 applicants (out of more than 1,000!), that were selected for immediate cadetships in the RAAF in December, 1935. Air Cadet Kelaher commenced his cadetship at RAAF Point Cook in January 1936.
    On 3 June, 1936, during the course of his training at No.1 Flying Training School, RAAF Point Cook, Kelaher had cause, whilst performing aerobatics over Port Phililp Bay, to ditch Avro II Cadet A6-1 in the Bay. Kelaher, who was uninjured, was later picked up by a rescue launch and Avro Trainer A6-1 was later salvaged, repaired, and put back into service - http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17239729 - http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article244732326 . A fellow pilot in his flight, saw Kelaher's predicament and landed his plane on the the shore and proceeded to swim out to rescue Kelaher. As it turned out, both Cadets were picked up safely by the launch.
    In early January, 1937, Kelaher, and 11 other cadets, were selected for short-service commissions in the RAF. They embarked (via eastern state ports) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206180881 from Fremantle, Western Australia, on 18 January, 1937, for the UK. They arrived in the UK on 13 February, 1937.

    The following 12, former RAAF Air Cadets, were granted 5-year short-service commissions in the RAF on 19 February, 1937:

    39455 P/O Douglas Alexander CAMERON
    39456 P/O Robert James COSGROVE
    39461 P/O Paterson Clarence HUGHES
    39462 P/O Clive Lawson HULLOCK
    39463 P/O Lewis Lea JOHNSTON
    39465 P/O Carl Richard KELAHER
    39469 P/O Charles Gordon Chaloner OLIVE
    39472 P/O Anthony Edward ROBINSON
    39473 P/O Kenneth Russell ROGERS
    39474 P/O Desmond Frederick Burt SHEEN
    39475 P/O William Byam WIGHT
    39476 P/O Eric Wilson YATES.

    It should also be noted, that the following three RAAF airmen, AUS407963 Ewin Garth CARTHEW, AUS416558 Sidney Milton FORRESTER, and AUS401605 Cyril Augustine WALSH, attached to the RAF, all sailed to the UK on 24 August, 1942 on the same vessel. It being, the H.T. Westernland. The Westernland departed Sydney on the abovementioned date proceeded to Fremantle, Western Australia, then embarked for the UK on 7 September, 1942. The "Westerland" was part of convoy US.17. It reached Durban, South Africa, on 23 September,and was escorted to Cape Town on 3 October. The movements of the 3 airmen are a bit obscure to me, after that. I think they may have joined another convoy and proceeded to the UK. More advice on that would be welcomed.

    Col.
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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Hi All,
    I am trying to get this posted for the past 2 days it says my post won't be visible until it has been moderated, I have sent messages to the "Contact Us" but no reply

    To clarify it was 1,5,3 and 8 Groups that were to proceed up the Swedish west coast before turning to home passing just north of Skagen which is on the northern tip of the Danish Jutland coast.
    6 Group proceeded along the Swedish coast but only to around 56.17N 12.27E before they headed NNW across Jutland to the west coast around Hanstholm which is about 67 miles (110km) north of the Stadil EE138 crash site. As per the raid tracks http://www.ee138.net/story.html
    Rechberger the night fighter pilot intercepted EE138 (from 1 Group) at an altitude of 4300m or 14100 feet, as an eye witness stated the two air craft approached the farm Fuglbjerg from the south at a great height from the direction of Ringkøbing which is 12 Km to the south and flew to the north before returning again a short time later with EE138 on fire. There are official documents from the Mid Jutland District kormmando that say V L. Knudsen reported, on September 4th1943 at 02:33 reported a telephone conversation from the Ulfborg Police Command Centre to the Ringkøbing Police Command Centre, which stated that residents telephoned the Police Command Centre it states “ . . .directed various inquiries by telephone to a Share of Residents that stretch from Ulfborg and southward from there. . . .", Ulfborg is 10km north of Stadil and is located 9km inland directly east of Husby which is 6km south east of the southernmost point of Nissum Fjord. All of this occurred a very long way from the path of the returning 6 Group.
    There is simple speculation that EE138 was short of fuel when it had been in the air for just 5.5 hours most 460 squadron aircraft were in the air that night for between 7:39 and 8:46 also there is speculation that EE138 was damaged however as mentioned earlier - 4300 meters, or 14100 feet, This altitude is close to the optimum performance altitude of a Lancaster, stated as being 3500 meters, so perhaps this point also questions and or dispels the notion that EE138 was damaged, i.e. having lost the use of one or two engines which would result in a Lancaster flying at a much lower altitude and speed.

    In the Bomber Command 1 Group September 3 Berlin operation briefing to 460 Squadron, the N.3. Tactics section provides orders to crews to cross the enemy coast between 18,000 & 22,000 feet (5500 - 6700meters) and to maintain this height to the target and then as far north as the German Baltic coast coordinates of 5435north /1331east, where aircraft could then reduce height for the remainder of the route but not to go below 10,000 feet (3000meters) east of 6 degrees east. (note this coordinate is 135km west across the North Sea from the Danish west coast).
    This would show that EE138 was complying operationally with the above order of not going below 10,000 feet.

    The question still remains why was EE138 where it was, why did it not cross the coast at Ringkøbing at first opportunity, I am not convinced on either the fuel or damaged aircraft suggestions. I think perhaps there is something else to it.

    Regards
    Peter F

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    Default Re: Warrant Officer Ewin Carthew RAAF 460th Squadron, Navigator on Lancaster EE138

    Can any one put me incontact with a moderator of this site, I have tried the "Contact us" but no reply. Thanks in advance.
    Cheers
    Peter F

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