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    Default Beaufighter T4889, Feb 1942

    Hi All

    Next set of loose ends

    Storr has Beaufighter, R4889 crewed by: -

    MAFFETT, JOHN FRANCIS (25054) RAF - age 29
    SMITH, BRIAN BARKLEY (400296) RAAF - age 22
    SPRASON, HARRY KENNETH (942383) RAFVR - age 23

    as being lost on a ferry flight to Malta on 12 Feb 1942 (so does CWGC). The first problem is that R4889 was a Tiger Moth sent to Australia, so I am assuming the aircraft should be T4889 which was lost on a flight to Malta, but A-B serials states it was lost on 7 Feb 1942, can anyone clarify?

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    Yes T4889

    Smith pilot, Sprason WOp/AG, Maffet passenger

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    Cheers Ross

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    Hi Malcolm,

    I don't know if this makes any difference to you, but T4889 did make it to Malta. It was lost on the last leg of the journey from Malta to Egypt.

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    Thanks Kevin

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolm_raf View Post
    Thanks Kevin
    Hi All,

    Brian Barkley Smith is my great uncle and my father and I have been investigating the circumstances of his disappearance.
    Firstly, thank you for reconciling the information on the case this has been very helpful.
    Secondly to pose a further question, does anyone know if any claim has been successfully attributed?
    Or if a wreck or location may have been discovered?
    Thanks again.
    Jeff

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    Default Re: Feb 1942

    Hello,

    From vol 2 of Mediterranean Air War .page 33.
    Only one noted loss. 2/JG 27 - Lt. Friedrich Korner - Blenheim - NE Derna - 14.27.

    The now old Tony Woods File has -
    07.02.42
    Ltn Friedrich Korner: 7 - 2/JG 27 - Blenheim - NE Derna - 14.27 - Film C. 2036/II Nr.100038/43
    And
    07.02.42
    Oblt. Helmut Belser: check film - 6/JG 53 - Blenheim IV - Lucca auf Malta: 50 m ( Luqa ) - 11.32 - Film C. 2035/II Anerk: Nr.94.

    Others may well be able to expand on the Tony Woods info.

    I find in Henk's 1942 List -

    Blenheim IV Z9712 - 7/2/42 Malta.
    And
    Beaufighter Ic - 272 Sqn T4838 - 7/2/42 - LWT, ME/NA.
    12/2/42
    Beaufighter Ic - T4889 - OADU - Mediterranean.


    Alex
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 30th April 2020 at 18:53.

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    Default Re: Beaufighter T4889, Feb 1942

    Hi Jeff,

    You are probably aware your great-uncle has several listings through the National Archives Australia website including service, casualty and previous Army files?

    https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear...msListing.aspx

    Beaufighter T4889 was apparently last seen heading out to sea South of Malta pursued by two Me 109 fighters.

    Not directly related to above - there’s a chance Brian had a combat claim with 143 Sqn RAF in November 1941. However, according to the Operational Record Book there were two Sergeant Smiths (initials A. for first Smith and B. for second) with the unit during late 1941 and it is not overly clear which one was involved in the interception. On 3rd Nov 1941 Sgt Smith/Sgt Coles along with another crew scrambled to engage a Ju 88 and damaged an engine.

    Regards, Drew

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    Default Re: Beaufighter T4889, Feb 1942

    Thanks Drew,
    That is interesting regarding the Ju 88.
    I will dig into that one a little deeper. Thanks for your reply and the link!
    Regards,
    Jeff

    Quote Originally Posted by AUS View Post
    Hi Jeff,

    You are probably aware your great-uncle has several listings through the National Archives Australia website including service, casualty and previous Army files?

    https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear...msListing.aspx

    Beaufighter T4889 was apparently last seen heading out to sea South of Malta pursued by two Me 109 fighters.

    Not directly related to above - there’s a chance Brian had a combat claim with 143 Sqn RAF in November 1941. However, according to the Operational Record Book there were two Sergeant Smiths (initials A. for first Smith and B. for second) with the unit during late 1941 and it is not overly clear which one was involved in the interception. On 3rd Nov 1941 Sgt Smith/Sgt Coles along with another crew scrambled to engage a Ju 88 and damaged an engine.

    Regards, Drew

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    Default Re: Feb 1942

    Hi Alex,

    Thanks very much for your help.
    I did notice there was one book I found online that noted T4889 lost on the 7th.
    However in the documentation we have which my Great Grandfather and Grandfather received from the RAF and RAAF has the date as the 12/2/42.
    I am looking through all the documentation to see if I can determine roughly what time on the 12th this took place.
    Your information above led me to a site (http://www.cieldegloire.com/jg_053b.php) where there is a claim for a Blenheim on the 12th by Schramm at 18:23.
    No way of knowing if this could be potentially T4889 or not but certainly food for thought if I can find out what time roughly this engagement took place.
    See below from link:
    12.02.42 Ltn. Herbert Schramm: 39 8./JG 53 Blenheim £ - 18.23 Reference: JG 53 Lists f. 1669

    It note there is no location recorded.
    I have not seen any other twin engine planes with my initial checks claimed on the 12th in that area.
    Thanks again for your reply.
    Regards,
    Jeff.




    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Smart View Post
    Hello,

    From vol 2 of Mediterranean Air War .page 33.
    Only one noted loss. 2/JG 27 - Lt. Friedrich Korner - Blenheim - NE Derna - 14.27.

    The now old Tony Woods File has -
    07.02.42
    Ltn Friedrich Korner: 7 - 2/JG 27 - Blenheim - NE Derna - 14.27 - Film C. 2036/II Nr.100038/43
    And
    07.02.42
    Oblt. Helmut Belser: check film - 6/JG 53 - Blenheim IV - Lucca auf Malta: 50 m ( Luqa ) - 11.32 - Film C. 2035/II Anerk: Nr.94.

    Others may well be able to expand on the Tony Woods info.

    I find in Henk's 1942 List -

    Blenheim IV Z9712 - 7/2/42 Malta.
    And
    Beaufighter Ic - 272 Sqn T4838 - 7/2/42 - LWT, ME/NA.
    12/2/42
    Beaufighter Ic - T4889 - OADU - Mediterranean.


    Alex
    Last edited by jeffsmith; 18th May 2020 at 11:59.

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